pricing a tilling job

   / pricing a tilling job #31  
Tim,

Most insurance companies have an endorsement called "other business pursuits" that may be obtained for an additional amount of premium. Most times they will have a maximum gross receipt you can earn before the pursuit is considered commercial. General liability will run $500.00 plus per year on the average. Check with your agent and look your policy over and watch for exclusions! If the agent doesn't answer your question to your satisfaction have him contact an underwriter to make sure. If the agent says you are covered get it in writing. If he is wrong when it comes time to file a claim then he will be making a claim on his E&O policy. Better to be safe than sorry!
 
   / pricing a tilling job #32  
Ok, I will post on this one....ARE YOU NUTS???!!! You tell the customer, which is off site from your property that you will drive your vehicle, trailer and tractor with implements on their property, run your machine on their property and if something happens and someone gets hurt or property is damaged, that you have no insurance and it is their problem???!!!
OK, hold me back here. I am a professional landscaper. I own my own company. I own my own equipment. I pay thousands of dollars a year in insurance to have my own company and the "privelege" to be my own boss. I can tell you this, and I am not picking on you in general, leave your tractor at home on the farm. You have absolutely NO business taking your machine off your farm and doing jobs for hire. Infact, if you check with your local city business ordinances, you will find you are breaking the law.

1. To do business for hire, you need to be licensed as a business in the county where you live. That means you need a business license.
2. To do work as a business, part time or full time, you MUST have equipment liability insurance, company liability insurance, commercial vehicle liability insurance, workmans comp insurance, your vehicles and trailers must have license plates that are designated as "commercial". This also means that your trailers must have electric brakes on them and equipment be properly fastened to them.
3. As a business, you need to find out what the local competition is charging and stick close to that rate. Don't be a "low baller" or a "weekend warrior" and stiffly underbid the competition. You think it will get you ahead of the game, but you will be labled as a low baller and will not be respected in the local industry.

The biggest problem we face in the professional landscape industry is low ballers who do not have any idea or experience in what they are doing. These people mess up more jobs by not having the right equipment and experience in the line of work they are doing. I, as a Professional Landscaper, have had to come in and clean up more jobs done by these people then I can count.
If you are going to do dirt work, do you know the EPA rules on properly containing disturbed soil? Do you know how to compact the dirt you just spread or tilled to keep errosion down? Do you own a "transit" or a visual horizontal sight level and know how to properly use it? Do you know how to grade dirt so that water flows properly and not create a pool of water in someones yard? If you don't know how to do these things yet, stay on the farm and practice there. Do not practice your technique on a customers site. If you do, they will be your customer only once. They won't call you back again. They will call me to come in and fix the problem and then I will be getting their business from here on out.
Yes, insurance is expensive. My customers are always surprised by my quotes. But, when I show them( and yes, on occasion , I do show them) what I pay per year in insurance, business licenses and a long list of very happy references, they are happy to pay the price, because the higher price is long forgotten when they can enjoy quality craftmanship for many years to come. And, when this happens, they are happy to tell other people about your company and the services you offer. I should know, I have not had to advertise in over 2 years now, and my business has, at least, doubled each year.
As I said before, I am not picking on you in general. The Professional Landscapers of America are just getting sick and tired of our industry getting a bad REP from people who don't have any business doing this type of work, confusing the general public with low balled prices for sub standard work and leaving the job site a mess or something damaged and not claiming responsibility for it.

OK....I am done now.

Dave Bonner
Wilson Lawn & Field Maint. INC.
 
   / pricing a tilling job #33  
Nice (long) tirade, but what does all of that have to do with Dave-in-Ct?
 
   / pricing a tilling job #34  
He is replying to this post earlier in this thread.


"Insurance...

I tell the prospective customer I have no insurance... and leave it up to them...

Anyone know where the responsibility lies if something happens at the customer's property ?

Them ? ...or me.. ?


Dave... "
 
   / pricing a tilling job #35  
He has no insurance. He is implying he does work for people with absolutely no liability insurance on him or his equipment. He assumes that when something happens..(it is not a if, it is just when it happens) the customer will just absorb the cost them selves. Thats what has me all fired up.
 
   / pricing a tilling job #37  
smilinggreen;
I really don't care who you think you are or aren't "picking on" in general or otherwise. You've used this topic to launch into your own tirade about what is obviously your own personal business problems. "You have absolutely NO business" telling me where I can take my machine or what I can do with it. Opinions are fine but baseless accusations
("Infact, if you check with your local city business ordinances, you will find you are breaking the law.") show your own prejudice and ignorance, unless of course you've actually researched "local city business ordinances" in all 50 states.
Fact is, I get along with local landscapers "professional" or not and they give me alot of side jobs they don't want to be bothered with. If I'm a "low baller" too bad - as long as the customer is informed about who and what they're getting, they've got every right to pick whoever they want to do the work - there are no laws or "local city business ordinances" saying they have to hire a "professional" lanscaper. If I get jammed up without insurance its on me.
Consider me a PROUD "weekend warrior!"
 
   / pricing a tilling job #38  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( He has no insurance. He is implying he does work for people with absolutely no liability insurance on him or his equipment. He assumes that when something happens..(it is not a if, it is just when it happens) the customer will just absorb the cost them selves. Thats what has me all fired up. )</font>

Hi...

In Connecticut... someone doing landscaping work... (and other type of work too)...
IS NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE LIABILITY INSURANCE...
...fact...

I'm up-front... and tell the potential customer that I do not have it... so they can make an informed decision to hire me or not... free choice...


Dave...
 
   / pricing a tilling job #39  
A business license, what is that?

Here in New Hampshire, as a sole proprietorship, LLC, or Inc., you do not need licenses for most operations including dirt moving, landscaping and snow plowing. Corporations and LLC's have certain legal requirements but specific licenses are not one of them. A city or town may require a license for certain store front businesses but it usually only a revenue generating method to help balance a budget on the backs of small businesses.

However, you can and should register your business name with the state and you still have to pay taxes and you still should have liability insurance but it is not required.

Just the way it should be - Live Free or Die.
 
   / pricing a tilling job #40  
All I did was mention that insurance is something you should think about. It's your choice. I didn't mean to start anything. Oh, I made a mistake in my earlier post, I'm being sued for $2,000,000, not $200,000.
 

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