Oil & Fuel Priming a diesel fuel system

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brianMO

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TYM T330 w/ lt300 loader
I ran my ford 1100 out of fuel and now I am having a hard time getting the air out of the system. I know this has been covered over and over, but cannot seem to put the right words into the search engine. Can anybody help. Do I need to crack my injectors as someone cranks the engine?

thx,

Brian
 
/ Priming a diesel fuel system #2  
Try to search using:
"bleed ford injectors"
There are some good threads that should help more than I can.
 
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brianMO said:
I ran my ford 1100 out of fuel and now I am having a hard time getting the air out of the system. I know this has been covered over and over, but cannot seem to put the right words into the search engine. Can anybody help. Do I need to crack my injectors as someone cranks the engine?

thx,

Brian

Brian,

Take a look at the thread below. On one occasion I also loosened the compression fitting at the injector and turn the engine a few time till I got solid fuel coming out. I tightened the fitting and the engine started right up. I had to do it once when I completely emptied the fuel tank.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/nh-owning-operating/104448-1700-injector-pump-bleeding.html
 
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As a last resort this is what I have done, but keep in mind this is after I have bled the injector pump and filters and still cannot get it to start.

Somehow open up the air breather tube and with someone else cranking the engine give one small shot of starting fluid (I'm talking like a 1 second shot is too much). Doing this will cause the engine to start and suck any air in the lines out along with fuel. By having someone else cranking the engine then squirting a small shot it sucks it all in quick and gets it all out of the intake when it starts. If you try this alone, without squirting during cranking that one little squirt will fill the entire intake with fumes and when you turn the engine over it has to suck a long string of it through before it is all out... causing your engine to run very very high rpms for a short time at initial startup which is bad.

I have done this several times over the years but like I said it is something I have done as a last resort. I'm not a fan of bleeding the injectors due to the high pressure going through them and the fact my hand is usually nearby.
 
/ Priming a diesel fuel system
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She's alive again. I ended up just cracking the injectors and cranking until I had no air. Did not do my starter any favors but finally running. The tips I will use for next time. It is always a PITA to run out of fuel with a diesel. I was lacking power the first few laps around my yard. I now need to look at the cooling system. I overheated yesterday. Fuel pump appears to be working. I think a fush is in order. Does anybody know if there is a thermostat in on this tractor?

thx for the information.

Brian
 
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I would almost certainly think there is a thermostat in that tractor I know my 1700 had one I just searched and found this site.
Ford Tractor Thermostats
looks like it might be good for other things as well
It goes up to a 1991.
 
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brianMO said:
She's alive again. I ended up just cracking the injectors and cranking until I had no air. Did not do my starter any favors but finally running. The tips I will use for next time. It is always a PITA to run out of fuel with a diesel. I was lacking power the first few laps around my yard. I now need to look at the cooling system. I overheated yesterday. Fuel pump appears to be working. I think a fush is in order. Does anybody know if there is a thermostat in on this tractor?

thx for the information.

Brian

Glad it worked out. There is a T-stat for sure where upper radiator pipe going to the block.

JC,
 
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I suppose I could just remove it. I do not use this tractor in the winter.
 
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I wondered that myself. (remove it).
I'm not sure if it would run colder and have troubles or less power etc. Someone else will most like weigh in ...
 
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Took me three weeks to get my Ford 1100 started after I ran it completely out of fuel. Kind of try it for a while, starter would get warm, let it rest, try again, then go back in the house and try again tomorrow. I learned a lot about that little tractor in those three weeks.
David from jax
 
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Listen to Willl,
Starting fluid is like heroin, once you use it, you can't get off of it...
(and it is just as rough on tractor engines as heroin is on people)
David from jax
 
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I don't post here very often, but I'd like to suggest you not remove the thermostat. It may make your engine run hotter. Why? Because removing the restriction in the water flow may result in the coolant passing through the radiator too quickly to cool. Those sort of things are engineered and it's best to keep them as designed. Been there, done that with a race car we ran a few years back. It kept running hot so the owner said to take out the thermostat and it made it even worse. We ended up cutting out the center of a thermostat to allow more flow, but still have a restriction and it fixed the problem. I wouldn't have even agreed to that except it was a race car and all the engineering had long since gone out the window. For that matter, the windows had gone out the window too!! Truth is, we just didn't have a big enough radiator for what we were doing.

Of course, the car owner didn't know we'd done that, he was very adamant that he was right about pulling the thermostat completely out. We gave up the race cars a long time ago and he's still my best friend... don't have the heart to tell him he was wrong.
 
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I ran into the problem of water going too fast thru a radiator to cool when the thermostat was removed on a 1978 Chevette. It didn't make sense to me on the trip, but I learned a valuable lesson when I replaced the thermostat.
David from jax
 
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If you remove the thermostat (and you have no other problems) the engine will run too cool and you will get soot buildup problems in your motor.

If you have to use starting fluid, you should start shopping for a new motor (or tractor) unless you love that machine so much you are willing to do a rebuild.

WD-40 can work as starting fluid without as many bad side effects. It's better to fix the problem though.
 
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Maybe you'll get some help here. But I'd suggest starting your own thread in the John Deere section. More folks with tractors like yours hang out there. Good Luck!!!

Welcome to TBN!!!
 

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