problemm PTO

[Boomerpier]

I have a Boomer TC45D and the PTO is turning non stop. Even when it is not engaged. The only adjustment I found is for the switch so that I cannot start the tractor with the PTO engaged.
Does anybody know how to adjust and/or fix this problem? The dealer was not able to tell me how to do it myself, I would have to bring it to their shop so that they can examine my tractor....

 

[joemd11]

Boomer, I think I had the same problem your describing with my LS3039. The PTO would run continuously even with the switch in the "Off" position. It had to go into the shop and they changed the solenoid. Is your tractor one of the models that is built by LS? It was covered by he warranty, but I had to shell out for pickup and delivery. Don't know where the solenoid is or how hard it would be as a DIY job.

 

[pat32rf]

Is it actually being turned by the gears or just "coasting" along due to the dragging effect of the grease/lub? Some PTO's lock when off, others just disconnect and will turn freely...(and coast)

 

[RoyJackson]

Have you hooked up an implement to the PTO yet?
Don't!!!! Unless you know for sure the PTO stubshaft isn't being driven.
Will the tractor start? If it does start, turn it off (wait till the PTO stubshaft stops) and hook an implement up to the PTO, then start the tractor.
If the implement doesn't drive (the inertia of the implement's drive train should stop the PTO stub shaft rotation), pat32rf is probably right...the stub shaft is just rotating without being driven. My old 790 would do that sometimes...
If it does drive...well, if you can't fix it yourself...time to let the dealer do the job.

 

[jinman]

Boomerpier, your tractor has a completely independent PTO that runs off a hydraulic clutch/brake. The fact that it turns when the lever is OFF (and I assume also the light on the dash is OFF) means that the clutch/brake is worn and in need of replacement/repair.

Let me be a little more clear. I am guessing that your PTO lever works smoothly back and forth and the the dash PTO light indicator illuminates and extinguishes when the PTO lever is moved forward/aft in the slot on the fender. If the light stays ON, there is a chance your lever is bent or slipping and not functioning properly. The PTO lever on your tractor opens a hydraulic valve that pressurizes the PTO clutch and makes the splined stub spin. When the clutch is released, it has a brake that stops the PTO from turning and stops the splined stub in just a few seconds. If the clutch/brake is working properly, you cannot turn the PTO splined stub at all when the lever is off.

What happens in most cases, is that somebody doesn't know to lower the engine rpm before engaging the PTO and also lower the rpm before disengaging the PTO. When you have something big like a rotary cutter attached to the PTO the forces required to start it or stop it are tremendous. You can preserve the PTO and extend its life by slowly engaging at about 1000 rpm and disengaging only after the engine rpm is reduced.

 

[Boomerpier]

Thank you for the reply.
You have exactly described what is hapening with my and tractor. PTO turning after disengaged light in dash off. It looks like I'll have to take it to the shop and have it fixed.

I do bring the RPM down before and after engaging it. But my neighbour was using it on and off, for snow removal on his property and mine since I work shifts he would clean my driveway and is. So maybe he did'nt slow the RPM.

He now have is own tractor so I will not have anyone but me to blame for the next problem.

Thanks again All the best to you and your family have a great 2012..

Pierre

 

[Boomerpier]

Thanks to everyone that took the time to reply to my post about my PTO, but I have to come to the conclusion that the problem is that the clutch/brake is worn and in need of replacement/repair. So no point to try to find an adjustment wich would have been a great idea for us to same $ in repairs.

So have a great new year 2012. I'll keep on reading the post on this site.

Pierre

 

[Doppelgangar]

this is a common problem with many brands of tractors.

You can get a cover for it or just leave it. To fix it will require a split of tractor. you will have to stop engine to attach the PTO which should all ready be a practice.

When tractor is cold it is more likely to spin. It is due to the oil being thicker.

 

[whitetiger]

this is a common problem with many brands of tractors.

You can get a cover for it or just leave it. To fix it will require a split of tractor. you will have to stop engine to attach the PTO which should all ready be a practice.

When tractor is cold it is more likely to spin. It is due to the oil being thicker.

His tractor, like most can not be started with the PTO engaged.
On an older unit that could be started with PTO engaged, it should not be done.

 

[jinman]

His tractor, like most can not be started with the PTO engaged.
On an older unit that could be started with PTO engaged, it should not be done.

Whitetiger, that is not true for this condition. The interlock to keep the tractor from starting works completely off the PTO lever. If the light on the dash is OFF, then the tractor should start normally. Pierre may find that with a rotary cutter or other implement attached, the PTO will slip, but he will have to have the engine completely shut down when he hooks anything to the PTO stub. I agree with you that this is NOT the best/safest way to operate, especially if the PTO won't slip at all when turned OFF. In an emergency, this would work, but not be something I'd want to do all the time.

Dopplegangar, you are correct that this requires splitting the tractor at the rear differential. That is the 1st step in the New Holland Repair Manual. That's easy to say, but a huge job on the TC45D, especially since the OP's photo shows a soft cab. The operator platform has to be raised up/removed to allow the differential split. The repair is fairly simple and straight-forward, but getting to the problem is where the big labor hours/cost will be.

Pierre: I'm very sorry you have this problem. My tractor has a few over 1700 hours and the PTO still works just like the day I brought it home. I've been extremely lucky and am very careful with engaging/disengaging. I think once your PTO clutch/brake is repaired, you'll likely never have another problem with it. I just wish it was not going to be so expensive for you.

 

[JHTFarmer]

I have the same problem with my Case DX40 which essentially the same tractor as the New Holland.

The PTO shaft turns continuously even if the PTO lever is disengaged. There is no problem In starting the tractor. And the PTO functions properly when connected to an implement.

I've done what someone else has suggested and it works fine. That is to put that little plastic screw cover over the PTO shaft when it isn't connected to an implement. Certainly less costly then splitting the tractor into two pieces.

 

[RoyJackson]

If you read post #7, you'll find the OP has decided the tractor needs the proper repair (probably as Jiman described it).
So, for all intents and purposes, this thread is finished...

 

[JHTFarmer]

Whoa big fella. Let's see what the repair bill is before you close this thread.

 

[RoyJackson]

Whoa big fella. Let's see what the repair bill is before you close this thread.

We'll see how he does...I'm sure it's going to be in the $2000-$4000 range though.

 

[whitetiger]

Whitetiger, that is not true for this condition. The interlock to keep the tractor from starting works completely off the PTO lever. If the light on the dash is OFF, then the tractor should start normally. Pierre may find that with a rotary cutter or other implement attached, the PTO will slip, but he will have to have the engine completely shut down when he hooks anything to the PTO stub. I agree with you that this is NOT the best/safest way to operate, especially if the PTO won't slip at all when turned OFF. In an emergency, this would work, but not be something I'd want to do all the time.

Dopplegangar, you are correct that this requires splitting the tractor at the rear differential. That is the 1st step in the New Holland Repair Manual. That's easy to say, but a huge job on the TC45D, especially since the OP's photo shows a soft cab. The operator platform has to be raised up/removed to allow the differential split. The repair is fairly simple and straight-forward, but getting to the problem is where the big labor hours/cost will be.

Pierre: I'm very sorry you have this problem. My tractor has a few over 1700 hours and the PTO still works just like the day I brought it home. I've been extremely lucky and am very careful with engaging/disengaging. I think once your PTO clutch/brake is repaired, you'll likely never have another problem with it. I just wish it was not going to be so expensive for you.

I am very familiar with how the PTO works and how saftey interlock works.
I guess it is how you read the prior comments.

 

[whitetiger]

If you read post #7, you'll find the OP has decided the tractor needs the proper repair (probably as Jiman described it).
So, for all intents and purposes, this thread is finished...

Then leave.........

 

[RoyJackson]

Then leave.........

Pretty ignorant post, Bro...

 

[whitetiger]

Pretty ignorant post, Bro...

And it was still a step above yours.....
P.S. I am not your Bro

 

[SPYDERLK]

We'll see how he does...I'm sure it's going to be in the $2000-$4000 range though.

Not anywhere near worth it if the clutch is working and only the brake is bad.
larry

 

[whitetiger]

Not anywhere near worth it if the clutch is working and only the brake is bad.
larry

If the disks and/or plates in the PTO pack are warped or piled up, the PTO brake will wear out causing metal filings in his hydr/hydraulic oil. Long story short, he could wind up with a slightly larger repair bill...x3 or x4 $$$.