Propane tank

   / Propane tank #11  
Have a good friend who just finished his dream home just down the road from me. He hid his propane tank in a wooded area and you can't see it from the house itself. A small footpath serves the purpose of keeping it filled. BTW I worked HVAC for 38 years and I really disliked propane compared to natural gas. Even the smallest propane leak from a furnace, hot water heater. gas logs, or the like would always pool in a basement which always caused serious concerns. I quit smoking at a young age as a result of hearing a few horror stories involving propane/cigarettes. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
   / Propane tank #12  
Bird:

The easiest way to check for gas or propane leaks is to stand back and shoot a flare along the line.

Egon
 
   / Propane tank #13  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The easiest way to check for gas or propane leaks is to stand back and shoot a flare along the line. )</font>


Does that include in the basement?

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   / Propane tank #14  
Depends on how your insurance policy reads and the wish for a new residence.

Egon
 
   / Propane tank #15  
All joking aside, a flame test will not always find a propane leak. The range of flashpoint for propane is between 2% and 10% density in air (all numbers are approximate; if anyone wants the percentages to the last decimal point I can look them up /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif ). In other words, if there is less than 2% propane in the air it won't light, and if there is more than 10% propane in the air it won't light. Propane dissipates very quickly. In the open, there will be a very narrow band of distance where the mixture is high enough to light - beyond that, it falls off quickly to less than 2%. In a closed area, the mixture can build up quickly beyond 10%. The real danger is in a closed area that is opened. As the air is freshened, the mixture will fall off until it his the 10% point, and then, if there is a source of ignition, you have a Floomph.

Also, even though I use the term myself, propane does not "explode" in the sense that something like dynamite does. What it does is flash burn very, very quickly, which creates so much pressure that things around it tend to get knocked over - like walls and ceilings, for example. In the open, what you get is a big flash of fire which goes out once the fuel is consumed. The pressure can knock you over but you aren't going to disintegrate... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

One of the more interesting things about the Columbine tragedy a few years ago was that the kids had constructed "bombs" consisting of propane cylinders with nails taped to the outside. I'm not sure how they intended to set them off, because what is inside the tank is pure propane which won't light, and once you let some out, it might knock over the cylinders but it isn't going to disturb the nails.

When a propane storage tank develops a leak (usually a valve failure of some kind), they don't want the propane spewing around where it might reach flash point near a source of ignition. So, what they do in some cases is light the leak and let it burn until the tank is empty. Makes a pretty neat tower of flame but doesn't bother the tank...

Propane boils at -44 degrees F to produce the gas we burn. Normally, room temperature is plenty to make it boil (it won't boil as long as it is at stable pressure, but as soon as you use some vapor, it boils to produce more and stabilize the pressure again). But if it's pretty cold, it will draw all of the heat it can from the surrounding air, then stop boiling (this is what causes the rime of ice around the outside of a cylinder). If it's cold enough, below -44 F, you can carry liquid propane around in an open bucket. In cold climates, and in situations where the vapor is being used rapidly (like for a boiler), they have to wrap the tank with heated blankets to vaporize the liquid. One trick of the "old timers" (before our society got so litigious, back when people accepted responsibility for their own actions) was to build a wood fire under a tank to help vaporize the liquid.

Sorry to get a little off topic, but I always found some of these facts interesting. Please, no Hank Hill jokes... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
   / Propane tank #16  
Many years ago I was working on the propane heater under the deck of our house. It had an electronic pilot that would occasionally loose its grounding contact and I would have to re-establish it with a loosening and re tightening of the mounting screw. I forgot to turn off the furnace at the thermostat by turning it down below room temperature. After the repair, I flipped the switch to power the unit. What I hadn't realized is that the propane that didn't ignite had pooled in the bottom of the furnace and when I flipped the switch, it went BOOM! I crawled out from under the deck and went around to the front of the house and my wife came running around the back of the house screaming are you OK? I came into the house from the front door and walked out on the deck and just stood there...... When she finally looked up and saw me standing there, she asked how I got there..... I said...... I was blown into the air and landed there. It wasn't till the next day that I told her that I was only joking..... the next week was one of the best in our married life..... she stopped talking to me!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Propane tank #17  
Did you loose you eyebrows? That's a pretty common occurance with that type of incident.

Egon
 
   / Propane tank #18  
OkeeDon:

Very comprehensive informative post.

A propane tank subjected to flame and high heat may Blevy. Go boom. This is not a pleasant experience.

In confined areas there is also the danger of a person becoming unconsious from lack of air. This happens so insidiously the person is not aware of it happening.

Egon
 

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