Protecting Property Lines

   / Protecting Property Lines #41  
WB, years ago dad had problems with people cutting locks. He got some big lock you could not reasonable cut. The badheads turned them up on end and then shot some 22's down in the key hole. "If we can not get in nobody is."

Also just three years ago a family friend had a little more remote place and was having trouble with his gates. He had some heavy duty gates made and set some 8 inch heavy pipe post 4 foot into the ground and concreted them in... Can you guess, the badheads got a piece of timber equipment off some near by track and came over and picked up the whole gate and set it in the ditch...

If they want in they will get in... the only way to stop them is to be there......
 
   / Protecting Property Lines #42  
I like the "fluid" property line concept. I mow into my neighbors place all the time and they often mow about 1/3 of my back acerage. Last week I harrowed in my seed and saw that the farmer who had been putting out manure for them had spread a new load so I harrowed it in for them. Their dog comes and plays in my backyard with mine and she even comes over when we work nights and takes them out. This way my dogs have 11 acres to play on instead of just 6 and all in all I would have it no other way. J
 
   / Protecting Property Lines #43  
<font color=blue>"You'd have to know this guy to appreciate him."</font color=blue>

Jerry,

You've got a winner there for a neighbor! It sure makes living near someone a lot more pleasurable, doesn't it? It kind of says something about the work ethics, etc. of the older generations too. And you know, there is one other benefit to getting along and helping each other out. It just plain FEELS GOOD!
 
   / Protecting Property Lines #44  
It seems odd to me that people either have the nerve or sheer stupidity to bring out heavy equipment to tear down gates and such.

As we approach building our house I am going to install a gate, to date I haven't found any signs that our land is used for ATV, or other such things. But it has me concerned as we start the process what little curiosity seekers will appear. If I put in a gate am I putting out a welcome mat for such people or a clear sign to stay out?

I eventually want to put in a full estate gate with power to open it, but I have to see what the snow will be like first.
 
   / Protecting Property Lines #46  
Before we closed on our land recently we ran into my future neighbor during the last days of hunting season (while he was on my future land hunting). I had noticed the posted signs he had put up years earlier when he moved in and also noticed the pink tag lines from the surveyor I hired. He was about 30FT into my land with the signs. It was no big deal since we hadn't closed yet.

This thread made me think about it today when I was out walking the land. He had mentioned that he put them farther out so people wouldn't hunt so close to his house. Made sense, but as we are preparing to start building soon, I removed the old worn out ones that are still up so I can post more clearly my property line. To me we are going to be good neighbors, but I wan't to make sure since I own most of the wooded hill between our properties and I don't want any land loss to occur.

It pays to keep your eye on the situation at hand. No need to react but be clear in your goal. Mine is good neighbors and clear boundary lines. Now I have to get the surveyor out to finish posting my property lines before spring gets underway so I can determine where my land is on both sides for posting.
 
   / Protecting Property Lines #47  
MDNY, I'm not familiar with the situation under your rules (your governing laws and precedents) but do be careful regarding surveys. If you were in my area you would be smart to let the surveyor know up front that you wanted the results of the survey recorded at the county courthouse (can increase their diligence among other benefits). I am currently being tossed on the horns of a dilemma because of two non-congruent surveys. In my case a 1.2 acre parcel was cut out of my land due to the previous owners divorce prior to my purchase. There is therefore a "less and except" description of that 150x350 ft parcel as part of my abstract of deed. There are pins in the ground at the four corners. Sounds pretty straight forward so far, right? The pins are in fact at the corners of a 350x150 rectangle to a fair degree of precision, goody goody for the original surveyor, but wait, there's more.

I hired a good surveyor with late model GPS equipment and plenty of experience and he determined that the first surveyor had made an erroneous assumption and all 4 pins are about 5 1/2 feet west of where they should be and where fences and posts are, on two sides of the parcel (other side not fenced yet. It seems that not all sections (in theory 640 acres-one mile square) are created equal and my quarter section (1/2 mi x 1/2 mi) is a quarter of a larger than standard section. So when following the description as set forth in the "less and except" wording AND you assume a perfect section you are in error. In this case it turned out to be about 5 1/2 feet. The area of the parcel is the same but the boundaries are off. My gun crazy nutso neighbor does not want a fence put around him and both he and his wife have flatly stated that they will not allow it.

My quandary is that if I use the original pins and make use of the existing pipe fence, it could easily be shown that I am placing the boundary in the "WRONG" place and since this guy essentially has made his living, since retireing as a SWAT cop, suing people I don't think that is a prudent action. On the other hand, if I use the "new" survey he would likely have me in court arguing for grandfathering the original survey. He has lived there now almost 3 years and we only recently found the error after I noticed he had put an ornamental fence across his frontage that extended over 10 feet west past the "old" markers. When I told him it seemed to go too far he threw a tantrum and hired a surveyor who found the old pins and confirmed that they described a 350 x 150 parcel BUT they issued no report nor recorded the survey nor discovered the original survey error.

That is why I said be careful. Just hiring a surveyor and sticking some pins in the ground isn't always a simple thing with clear cut results. One of the benefits of recording the results of the survey is that it documents your "defense" of your borders and would weigh heavily in an adverse possession type situation. Sometimes you may find that a neighbor with no ulterior motives or designs might participate in funding a survey, especially if they are also issued an official report that is recordable should they chose. Could save them or their estate money in the future by going in with you. Maybe that opportunity has passed for you. Oh, well.

I hope your situation never gets as tangled as mine. I'm going to try to preempt any legal hassle with my neighbor by trying to get a county judge to essentially rule in advance on which pins to use rather than picking one and having the neighbor fight me on it. I had my lawyer send the guy a letter telling him, among other things, he had 20 days to say which pins he prefered I use or I would pick but he did not answer which led me to believe he was waiting to complain no matter which way I went. Yet another stonewalling manuever since he doesn't want me to put up a fence. He will go ballistic when I start putting up the 7-8 ft rock (bullet proof) wall around him.


Patrick
 
   / Protecting Property Lines #48  
After posting signs on your property, you might want to put a small notice in your local paper. Buy the paper the notice was in and keep it.

The notice could read something like:

"The Property of John Doe of 123 Walnut Rd, County of York, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania has been posted NO TRESPASSING. All Trespassers will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. All access has been permenantly gated and closed to the public. The owner assume NO LIABILITY for injuries of any trespasser or any other person or person not specifically invited onto said property."

Or, words to that effect...

This wouldn't prevent a suit against a property owner, but may give them ammunition in any potential suit.
 
   / Protecting Property Lines #49  
Hi, if this is still an active thread then I had question for anyone out there. I have land in SC and there are some property line issues, with neighbors dirveways and a fence. I did a search on SC law and found this:
A JOINT RESOLUTION
PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE XVII OF THE CONSTITUTION OF SOUTH CAROLINA, 1895, RELATING TO MISCELLANEOUS MATTERS, BY ADDING A SECTION THERETO SO AS TO ABOLISH THE DOCTRINE OF ADVERSE POSSESSION OF REAL PROPERTY AND PROVIDE AN EXCEPTION.

Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of South Carolina:

SECTION 1. It is proposed that Article XVII of the Constitution of this State be amended by adding the following appropriately-numbered section:

"Section . The Doctrine of Adverse Possession of real property, either at common law or by statute, is abolished and shall not exist or be given any force or effect.

Nothing in this section shall be construed to abrogate adverse possession which was legally established and confirmed by a court of competent jurisdiction prior to the effective date of this section."

SECTION 2. The proposed amendment must be submitted to the qualified electors at the next general election for representatives. Ballots must be provided at the various voting precincts with the following words printed or written on the ballot:

"Shall Article XVII of the Constitution of this State be amended by adding an appropriately-numbered section so as to provide that the Doctrine of Adverse Possession of real property is abolished, except that this provision does not abrogate any adverse possession which was legally established and confirmed by a court of competent jurisdiction prior to the effective date of such abolition?

Does this mean that any new adverse possession attempts in SC are dead?

thanks a lot for reading and your help. Brett W
 
   / Protecting Property Lines #50  
PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE XVII OF THE CONSTITUTION OF SOUTH CAROLINA, 1895, RELATING TO MISCELLANEOUS MATTERS, BY ADDING A SECTION THERETO SO AS TO ABOLISH THE DOCTRINE OF ADVERSE POSSESSION OF REAL PROPERTY AND PROVIDE AN EXCEPTION.

This is a proposed amendment. You need to find out if it was approved.
 

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