PT425 Issues

   / PT425 Issues #1  

tlb

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PT 425
I like (not really) saving up multiple problems, then posting all at once.....called PT but they are closed this week.

Issue 1: There is a recent post about steering issues. My PT425 (circa 2002) started having similar issues last time mowing. Tractor was drifting to the left and steering was sluggish and difficult. Yesterday was moving some big stumps and the steering did not respond well when the front forks were loaded. After dropping the load, steering was ok but sluggish. Didn't see any leaks around the two steering cylinders. How do you know if it is the steering cylinder(s) or steering pump?

Issue 2: PTO switch recently has some problem where, after the tractor gets warm from use, turning off the PTO switch for a short time, then try to turn it back 'on', it doesn't want to engage the hydraulic motor on the mower deck. With the engine idling, I have to flip the PTO switch off and 'on' about 8-10 times (waiting 5-10 seconds between each try) before it engages. Never had this issue before. Could it be something else besides the PTO switch, such as the mower motor?

Issue 3: Float not working. Have had this issues for many years, sometimes float works, sometime not. Seemed that once hyd oil got hot, it would work ok. However, this season I cannot get it to stay engaged at all. I bought a repair kit from PT years ago but never installed because float would usually work after running a while. It is easy job to rebuild, any special tools needed?

Issue 4: Battery replacement. Guess I was lucky in that the original PT battery lasted about 12 years. Couldn't find a replacement battery locally that was same size/amperage, so went with a smaller 'riding lawnmower' battery. If anyone has an older PT425, you know the issue with replacing the battery, you have to remove the exhaust manifold to get battery out. Don't have to do this with the smaller lawnmower battery, but the amperage is on the low side and takes more cranks to get the engine started. I think later PT425s have a different exhaust manifold so removal is not required?

Issue 5: Hydraulic Oil leak: This season I noticed my first hydraulic oil leak. Not sure where it is occurring so I put a pan under the center pivot point. After about a week, there was maybe a tablespoon of (clean) oil in the pan. I think the only hydraulics in that area are the hoses from front to back half of tractor?

FYI: I had issue a few years back with front forks not lifting when loaded. Unloaded was ok but slow. I assumed the cylinders needed rebuilding and took them to local hydraulic shop. After a couple weeks, the shop called back and said they were having problem getting end caps off. I called Terry at PT and got a price quote for new cylinders. Long story short, the cost (2021) of new cylinders was a little more than cost of rebuilding cylinders plus I had to drive about 20 miles (each way) to get to the hydraulic shop. Would have been faster to order new cylinders, delivered directly to my door, and only slightly more expensive than rebuilding.

Bleeding the hydraulics: I know bleeding the systems is recommended after changing the hydraulic oil filter, but is it also good practice/required if changing various cylinders? I didn't bleed the system after changing the front fork lifting cylinders a few years ago, but they seemed to work fine.
 
   / PT425 Issues #2  
I like (not really) saving up multiple problems, then posting all at once.....called PT but they are closed this week.

Issue 1: There is a recent post about steering issues. My PT425 (circa 2002) started having similar issues last time mowing. Tractor was drifting to the left and steering was sluggish and difficult. Yesterday was moving some big stumps and the steering did not respond well when the front forks were loaded. After dropping the load, steering was ok but sluggish. Didn't see any leaks around the two steering cylinders. How do you know if it is the steering cylinder(s) or steering pump?

Issue 2: PTO switch recently has some problem where, after the tractor gets warm from use, turning off the PTO switch for a short time, then try to turn it back 'on', it doesn't want to engage the hydraulic motor on the mower deck. With the engine idling, I have to flip the PTO switch off and 'on' about 8-10 times (waiting 5-10 seconds between each try) before it engages. Never had this issue before. Could it be something else besides the PTO switch, such as the mower motor?

Issue 3: Float not working. Have had this issues for many years, sometimes float works, sometime not. Seemed that once hyd oil got hot, it would work ok. However, this season I cannot get it to stay engaged at all. I bought a repair kit from PT years ago but never installed because float would usually work after running a while. It is easy job to rebuild, any special tools needed?

Issue 4: Battery replacement. Guess I was lucky in that the original PT battery lasted about 12 years. Couldn't find a replacement battery locally that was same size/amperage, so went with a smaller 'riding lawnmower' battery. If anyone has an older PT425, you know the issue with replacing the battery, you have to remove the exhaust manifold to get battery out. Don't have to do this with the smaller lawnmower battery, but the amperage is on the low side and takes more cranks to get the engine started. I think later PT425s have a different exhaust manifold so removal is not required?

Issue 5: Hydraulic Oil leak: This season I noticed my first hydraulic oil leak. Not sure where it is occurring so I put a pan under the center pivot point. After about a week, there was maybe a tablespoon of (clean) oil in the pan. I think the only hydraulics in that area are the hoses from front to back half of tractor?

FYI: I had issue a few years back with front forks not lifting when loaded. Unloaded was ok but slow. I assumed the cylinders needed rebuilding and took them to local hydraulic shop. After a couple weeks, the shop called back and said they were having problem getting end caps off. I called Terry at PT and got a price quote for new cylinders. Long story short, the cost (2021) of new cylinders was a little more than cost of rebuilding cylinders plus I had to drive about 20 miles (each way) to get to the hydraulic shop. Would have been faster to order new cylinders, delivered directly to my door, and only slightly more expensive than rebuilding.

Bleeding the hydraulics: I know bleeding the systems is recommended after changing the hydraulic oil filter, but is it also good practice/required if changing various cylinders? I didn't bleed the system after changing the front fork lifting cylinders a few years ago, but they seemed to work fine.
I don't have a 425, but here goes on the general hydraulic items.
1) the steering cylinders often fail via bypassing internally. The steering control valve could also fail and show similar symptoms, but my bet would be one or both steering cylinders.
2)PTO Switch. While your switch could be bad, my bet would be on the solenoid itself, since switches usually fail completely. You can disassembly the solenoid and check for rust/clean it, but I would just replace the whole thing. (Many threads on rusted solenoids)
3) I don't know about your particular control valve, but generally, servicing is pulling the float valve cylinder out, cleaning out the chamber, and replacing the o-rings. Have a look here at about 3:30 onwards;
4) Sorry, I don't have a clue. @MossRoad probably knows.
5) the knuckle is kind of an odd place to leak; have you take up the floorboards and looked into the tunnel from the footwell? I would look closely at the edges of the frame, in case there is a sharp edge cutting into a hose. Don't do this with the engine running. High pressure oil injuries are extremely hazardous.

Bleeding lift/steering arms is a good idea, but the oil will slowly move the air out. Until it does, the cylinder responses will be "spongy", something I personally don't enjoy.

All the best,

Peter
 
   / PT425 Issues #3  
A comment for #3, there is linkage between the control lever and the spool. Could it be possible that your linkage was/is adjusted on the short side and the control lever cannot push the spool completely into the float position?
 
   / PT425 Issues #4  
#4 - the battery size...

Autozone had the correct size battery. I'm on my third one in 23 years, so probably due for another. Yes, you have to remove the muffler. I have a thread about breaking the stud off and how to extract it on here somewhere.

Yes, the newer models have the battery in a more serviceable location.
 
   / PT425 Issues #5  
Comment on #2. The remote valve I believe is controlled by a magnet. If there is a bad connection in the circuit (loose corroded connection or switch contacts) and it caused low voltage at the magnet, it would work as you described. Test voltage at the magnet with switch on and hot. It should be close to the system voltage. You can trace it back if you find it low to see where the "bottleneck" is.
 

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