PTO boot question

[Mock1]

All of the implements that I have used so far
are hook and pull type. Today I picked up a brush hog
(Tebben TC07-400) from a local dealer that is just starting up.
I realize that start up is somewhat troublesome in business so I picked it up
knowing that I might need to finish things off. The very nice older gentleman
that was putting together my rotary cutter self proclaimed that he was not a
farmer, and had no clue how to remove the cover over the PTO. After
looking over the manual, I realized that you must be Psychic, or a farmer,
to figure this one out. The only reason for this is to install the snap ring
on the end of the cutters gear box drive shaft. I would guess that this is a capture device in case of shear bolt failure. Any suggestions would be
appreciated.

Regards,
David

 

[Usta]

Not really sure what you are asking but if you want to remove the plastic shaft cover from the PTO driveshaft you need to slide the drive shaft all the way apart, enough so there are two shafts, then slide the covers off. Quite often there are two, usually plastic, lock screws on the bell ends that you turn a quarter turn to release the cover.
The chain attached to the cover can be attached to most anything on the tractor or implement usually with a snap swivel. The chain is so the plastic cover does not spin with the driveshaft.

 

[ctgoldwing]

Not really sure what you are asking but if you want to remove the plastic shaft cover from the PTO driveshaft you need to slide the drive shaft all the way apart, enough so there are two shafts, then slide the covers off. Quite often there are two, usually plastic, lock screws on the bell ends that you turn a quarter turn to release the cover.
The chain attached to the cover can be attached to most anything on the tractor or implement usually with a snap swivel. The chain is so the plastic cover does not spin with the driveshaft.

OK this is a timely thread for me!
I just finished dropping the backhoe for the 1st time this morning. Next I got to assemble the 3 pt hitch. So far so good - I haven't exceeded my mechanical abilities yet (tho getting the carter pins in wasn't so much fun).

But wait now I see the pto cover - and I don't see how it comes off (L3400HST) I just don't follow the above answer... how do I 'slide the drive shaft all the way apart'??? I don't even understand what that means.

What am I missing? All I see when I look at the pto shaft from the end is what appears to be a plastic cover over it that I tried unsuccessfully to pull off. It does turn easily - guess that is a good sign

 

[beenthere]

Pics please. So much more helpful to give help then.

 

[Soundguy]

OK this is a timely thread for me!
I just finished dropping the backhoe for the 1st time this morning. Next I got to assemble the 3 pt hitch. So far so good - I haven't exceeded my mechanical abilities yet (tho getting the carter pins in wasn't so much fun).

But wait now I see the pto cover - and I don't see how it comes off (L3400HST) I just don't follow the above answer... how do I 'slide the drive shaft all the way apart'??? I don't even understand what that means.

What am I missing? All I see when I look at the pto shaft from the end is what appears to be a plastic cover over it that I tried unsuccessfully to pull off. It does turn easily - guess that is a good sign

most tractor pto stubs have a SCREW on cover.

as for sliding the drive shaft apart.. that is refering to the 2-piece telescoping shaft on the implement.

soundguy

 

[Usta]

If you really want to remove the cover from the driveshaft, then the driveshaft can not be connected to the tractor or implement. This is what I was explaining in my first post.

I am now assuming you are saying you want to remove the cover when you actually want to remove the driveshaft from the tractor and all you see is the cover.

Usually very easy to remove PTO shaft once you do it once.

Remove the shaft from the tractor end. The driveshaft is seldom removed from the implement since driveshafts are cut to lenghth to match the implements distance from the tractor.

To remove the Driveshaft from the tractor, there is a locking mechanisim so the shaft does not fly off during use. The bell of the cover usually blocks what you need to see so you will probably have to feel your way through this.
Feel around in front of the universal joint on the tractor end. You should feel what seems like a bump or shaft on one side. This is a button that needs to be pressed (rather firmly) to be able to pull the shaft from the tractor.

Some driveshafts have a collar ring (instead if a button) that needs to be slid back to be able to slide the shaft off the tractor.

 

[Mock1]

Sorry for the confusion, I will try to clarify this question. The rotary cutter
has a stub shaft on the gear box which the PTO is attached to. This particular
cutter uses a shear bolt system to protect the cutter and tractor, not a slip clutch. You are required to slide half of the PTO shaft on the gear box,
install shear bolt, then slide back PTO boot/tube to install snap ring on end of
stub shaft. The snap ring has to go on last since this prevents the U-joint from
falling off of the stub shaft in case the the shear bolt is broken. As for pics,
I can take them, but you will need a full 360 degrees of the boot/cover.
Hope this clears the mud a bit...

 

[Soundguy]

as you have been told, most pto driveshaft covers have a shroud than can be detached from the tube by turning lock bolts or some nefarious ones like you to rotate the shroud on the tube, then slide back. then the shroud is loose.. slide it out of the way.. do your work.. then reinstall opposite of removal.

soundguy

 

[Mock1]

Thanks for the advise soundguy. You do not need to respond to any more of my posts. Your abrasive responses aren't something I want to read...
Thanks to everyones else that posted, there are some decent people here.

 

[dcyrilc]

Thanks for the advise soundguy. You do not need to respond to any more of my posts. Your abrasive responses aren't something I want to read...
Thanks to everyones else that posted, there are some decent people here.

I've read quite a few of Soundguy's responses to posts. I doubt that he meant to be offensive. If I'm not mistaken, I think he was just trying to emphasize and reiterate what others had said.

 

[beenthere]

I think soundguy was just trying to be helpful.

There seems to be a misunderstanding, and maybe from the terminology used here.

Is the issue only getting the snap ring on the cutter stub shaft coming out of the cutter gear box?

Some cutters have a smooth male shaft that the female coupling slides over, a shear bolt is inserted, then the snap ring is installed to hold the coupling/PTO shaft on (if the shear pin does its job and fails).

The shroud on the cutter gear box that covers the coupling is apparently what is in the way of installing the snap ring. (if I understand you right, and what I've fought with before as well)..

Again, a pic of this cover and some assurance that we are only talking about the shroud here, and not the telescoping PTO shaft and its plastic cover would be helpful.

 

[Soundguy]

Well mock1 ?? I was merely trying to explain the procedure for the 2 most common types of shrouds on pto shaft covers.., mentioning that at least one other poster had done the same.. but as you request... no more responses to your posts..

soundguy

 

[Egon]

[The drive shaft is seldom removed from the implement since drive shafts are cut to length to match the implements distance from the tractor.
/QUOTE]

Note the above statement and make sure your drive shaft is not to long as if it is you can damage your tractor when fully lifting the implement.

 

[Usta]

The easiest thing to do here is start from the beginning.
If it is not already, or can be done, Remove the PTO shaft and set it on the ground/floor. There are a couple ways the plastic cover/shroud is attached near the universal joints. Try to figure out how the cover is attached (twists on or quarter turn lock screws) and it is also easier to grease the universal joints when it is off the tractor.
Once you know how the cover attaches, install the PTO shaft on the implement and install the shear bolt. From what you learned on how the cover attaches, unfasten it and slide it up the shaft to get access to the snap ring area and install. Slide the cover back down and refasten.

Please do not use any PTO shaft without a cover properly installed. It is just not worth it if someone gets caught in the spinning shaft.

If this does not help, keep asking questions. We are ALL here to help.
(including Soundguy)

 

[Gem99ultra]

If I understand the question (which I sometimes don't!!!) - the cover is a black plastic cap over the PTO shaft simply slides off. Often it'll be caked with grease and or dirt and might be stuck, so a little heft tugging will be required.


Worse case, you can cut it off with a razor, but you really need it when not using an driven implement to keep the dirt out. So, if you have to cut it off, get another inexpensive replacement.

 

[Mock1]

Thanks for the replies. Long hours at work and pressure to get this thing
going have given me little patience lately. My apologies to sound guy.
After I re read his post and tried to get to the bottom of it I realized that
he was not being abrasive. I did get the cutter to our property this weekend
but time was limited so no real progress. I did bring half of the PTO shaft
home so I can try to figure out the PTO shaft cover. Sorry for the
pissing match on the forum, it's really not my style.

 

[dcyrilc]

Thanks for the replies. Long hours at work and pressure to get this thing
going have given me little patience lately. My apologies to sound guy.
After I re read his post and tried to get to the bottom of it I realized that
he was not being abrasive. I did get the cutter to our property this weekend
but time was limited so no real progress. I did bring half of the PTO shaft
home so I can try to figure out the PTO shaft cover. Sorry for the
pissing match on the forum, it's really not my style.

Stress and frustration can deffinately affect how things come across. It's hard enough to get the sentiment you intend to come out to another reader as intended under normal circumstances.

Let us know how things go with getting the cover off the shaft. I'm guessing that it will actually be pretty easy once you figure it out. It always drives me crazy trying to figure out something I have never done before. Especially the ones that, in hind sight, seem as if they should have been obvious.

 

[Coyote machine]

Mock1,

I'm unclear if the manual you received was for the mower or the PTO shaft or both- sometimes the PTO shaft comes with its own set of directions cable tied to it- in my limited experience.
Have you solved the problem yet or are you still seeking input from us as to what to do next?

 

[Mock1]

Half of it is sitting in the driveway and half is on the mower at the Lake.
It's a BONDIOLI PAVESI Series100. No separate Manual for the PTO.
The online manual from Landpride is much more detailed than the Tebben
one which came with the mower. I'm kinda thinking of grabbing a lawn chair,
a beer, the PTO, and a small bench outside to really wrap my head around this thing.
The biggest problem has been finding the time to sit down without distraction.
Something about my three kids playing on six soccer teams that chew up the spare time.
Thanks, we'll get it figured out.