Pto will not turn

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Braden

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Kubota m4030 su
I bought a used Kubota M4030 SU and the Pto shaft does not turn. When you engage the clutch the PTO light comes on but the spindle does not turn. Everything else on the tractor works fine. Do these tractors have some sort of Sheer Pin? I was told I had to split the tractor- Do I go in from the back? Should I leave this to a pro or is it something I can handle on my own. Thanks for the help.
 
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I'm posting to bring your post back to the top of the queue. I'm sure someone here can answer your question with authority.

Before you go and split the tractor, look for a simpler problem.

Your problem could be the engagement mechanism for your independent PTO. I don't know your tractor, but the PTO is probably engaged either electrically via a switch, or hydraulically. If the PTO isn't engaged, then it won't turn when you engage the "master" clutch on your tractor.

I noticed your earlier post looking for a wiring diagram because the wiring was in bad shape, so I'm wondering if your PTO is engaged by a switch, and a problem with the wiring is preventing it from working properly. The switch could turn on the PTO light, but there may be a separate wire to a PTO engagement device (solenoid?) which might have a bad or nonexistent connection. Note: I'm just guessing here...I don't even know whether your PTO is engaged electrically.

I've never heard of a shear bolt inside a gearbox, so I doubt if that's the problem.

If these thoughts don't help, hopefully someone familiar with your tractor will chime in.
 
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Thats a good point. I did have some problems with the wiring but thought I had everything hooked back up properly. I assumed the PTO was manual. Does anyone know if this could be an electrical problem?
 
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Braden,

I don't have an answer for you but you may want to consider ordering the shop manual for the 4030.

Kubota Tractor Manual Selection - Tractor Repair, Shop and Service Manuals

Yes, they are pricey ($150) but in the long run might save you money on this and other problems.

One question too: Do you hear any change in the engine when you engage the PTO? If there is no change at all, I would lean toward the idea that the PTO lever is not actually engaging anything - and I would start trying to figure out the engagement mechanism. If there is some change in sound then the engagement is probably working and you have a problem between that point and the shaft.
 
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Yes I do hear a change in the engine. It sounds like something is turning in the engine, which is why I originally thought there may be some kind of sheer pin that would break if you hit a stump, etc. It sounds like the gear is turning but it is not connected to the shaft.
 
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i have an m 8950 dt kubota and yes it has an electrical switch for the pto also a lever that you can choose to select either ground speed or live, the live selection is used in conjunction with the electric switch so yes there is an electrical switch and no there is no shear pin to protect it , personaly i would have the pro;s do it as then there is some sort of warrenty . i hope this helps
 
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does it have a 2 speed pto and its in neutral. cant really remember if they do or not cause its been so long sinse i saw a 4030. look at the pto housing, you are looking for a short gear lever there somewhere.
oh and do not let the engine even think about overheating. if its the 6 cylinder motor i think it is they will crack a head as soon as it even thinks about getting hot. check the cooling system is in good condition.
 
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Yes I do hear a change in the engine. It sounds like something is turning in the engine, which is why I originally thought there may be some kind of sheer pin that would break if you hit a stump, etc. It sounds like the gear is turning but it is not connected to the shaft.

Depending on where the problem turns out to be, it's possible you can fix it yourself.

The M4030SU's pto is all mechanical - no solenoids, no hydraulics. The M4030 has 2 hand levers for the pto. It has one lever for the clutch plate, and another is a pto shifter. A driveshaft runs from the clutch at the engine to a gearbox at the back end of the tractor. This gearbox reduces the rpm to pto speed, and also has a shifter to engage/disengage the pto. On some models the gearbox has 2-speeds, but on a M4030 it is single-speed, with a neutral position.

First check the hand lever linkage for the clutch - maybe it's bent and keeping the clutch disengaged. Then check the linkage to the rear gearbox - make sure it is not bent or disconnected. There is shaft going into the box at the top left side, looking from the back, that moves the shifter inside. If necessary, disconnect the outside rod and exercise the lever with vise grips etc. Try turning the pto shaft by hand. Shifted one way it is free and should turn easily, shifted the other it will be connected to the pto driveshaft, clutch, etc. and should turn harder.

BTW, the indicator light switch is just on the linkage - it doesn't actually sense the engagement inside the rear gearbox. One other point, there are no shear pins etc. If the pto clutch and rear box are engaged and it still doesn't turn, then the problem is inside and more involved. Let us know what you find.

Pics are a rear pto gearbox for another model - the M4030's box is very similar except it has an oil filler plug and a flat top.
 

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Thanks for the response. I forgot to mention in the original post that the rear gearbox shaft that you mentioned is jammed. It will not move forward or backwards. I guess that could be pretty important. Also the PTO turns by hand freely both ways. Any Ideas? Thanks again. Braden.
 
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It may be rust-frozen in its hole from years of not being used - put some penetrating oil on it - try tapping the end of the shaft with a hammer a little. Eventually it should turn. The rod should move back and forth about 3/4".

If it absolutely refuses to move there's something wrong inside the pto gearbox and it will have to be removed. Drain the transmission oil (may fill two 5-gallon cans) and unbolt the gearbox. After the bolts are out it still needs some work with a prybar etc to get it off - they use alignment dowels and adhesive on the gasket surface.

The pic below is one of my L5450s with the pto gearbox removed - I raised the back end of the tractor on a lift (pto about 54" off the floor). That pools the oil forward so the job can be done without draining.

Good luck and let us know how it goes. Dick B
 

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