Pull that foot out of the grave

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Since it looks like this post takes me to another level I guess it ought to be a thank you.

Thank you.

I'm watching X Games live and am a little preoccupied. I know. At fifty six your pulse shouldn't race watching kids jump bikes. But it does.

I'm going to read each post again in the morning. But from just a quick overview, I came to the right well for inspiration and information.

thanks again.
 
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The ordinance against grills on porches isn't so bad if you live on the third level of an apartment building and the guy on floor two is burning some fatty meat /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif I think they have the same ordinance around here and it was intended for apartment complexes.
 
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My NFPA 58 books are packed away, and I forget whether they say portable propane tanks "should" not or "shall" not be stored indoors; and it really doesn't matter.

The situation is thus: LP gas is stored inside a cylinder under pressure. It is highly sensitive to temperature changes. If a full 20# cylinder is stored in at a temperature above 104 degrees (such as in a hot garage or in a closed car) for more than 2 hours, there's an excellent chance that the heat will build up the pressure to the point that the pressure relief valve will open, and the excess pressure will be exhausted to the local atmosphere. Of course, what will be expelled to lower the pressure is a flammable gas. In a closed environment, if the air/gas mixture achieves flash point (between 2% and 10% LPG, approx), and there is a source of ignition, you will have a floomph.

Further, any cylinder has the possibility of a leak. If vapor leaks out and reaches the above conditions, again, you will have a floomph.

Now, depending on the amount of gas that has leaked and the size of the closed area, the floomph may be minor or major, but most would agree a floomph is to be avoided. The easiest way is to never bring the cylinder inside (or put one in any closed area, such as a car trunk or a closed grill cabinet) in the first place.

Now, most of us will look at it realistically instead of legally; fork lifts run inside with propane tanks all the time, for example. But, they are changed out fairly frequently, people are around them during use and would smell a leak, etc. The full tanks are stored outside. The same is true for occasional use of propane heaters. A little common sense can be applied.

But, in Harv's case, he's going to advise a public, commercial enterprise, so he's got to be prepared to put his foot down and tell them: You just can't roll a grill indoors and use it the same way you would outdoors. It just doesn't work that way. Now, I suspect the chef or whoever serves as the country club's restaurant manager knows that, but the brass who think the grill is a keen idea don't. And Harv doesn't want to appear smarter than them, so I tried to remind him of a couple of things that the management might not know.
 
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Harvey

If the restaurant has a wall where a nice rollup door or some sliding glass doors could be installed, perhaps you could build the grill to be portable and just park it outside but very close to the door. With the door open, only the service end/side would be exposed to the restaurant with the rest parked outside. Closing the door when it is at another location or not being used, it would not be seen. Depending on the layout, perhaps more than one grill could be incorporated so one could service the inside and one for the outside patio area. Probably would not be too difficult to make some foldout doors on the building or the grill sides and top to make it weatherproof.

If you want to make it look like a high wheeled wagon, I have seen some that have been equipped with rubber tires that have the same appearance as the old wagon wheels.

Leo in San Diego
 
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If I were you I would hit a couple of big Cook- Offs to see what the competition is doing. Most of those guys will talk about their pits for hours, I'm sure you'll pick up some good ideas. I was at the Pasadena, TX. Rodeo cook- off a couple of years ago and they had one pit that was a scale model of a passenger jet. It was a real mind blower. Another thing that I'm sure you've already thought about, you can forge stainless. I haven't done it yet myself but I've read a little about it over on keenjunk.com, which you sent me in the first place /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif. It sounds like you might have an excuse to get in a little old time blacksmithin'. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Don.... thanks for jumping in here. The original post was referring to propane tanks that are used for grilles, and that was what I was commenting on. The tanks that are used for machinery, are of a different construction and the rules for them are totally different. If there is anyone that believes that it is OK to store propane cylinders, or use a propane fired grille indoors, then I suggest that you contact your local fire prevention official and ask if there is any law, regulation, or other jurisdictional Prohibitions of this practice.
 
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When I was in college my wife and I lived on the second floor of an apartment building. We had a small wooden balcony not much bigger than the sliding patio doors used to access it. A friend brought a half drum (vertical) and we used it as a grill to cook chicken on. We noticed the chicken sorta started smelling like wood burning. Turns out we almost burned a barrel sized hole in the deck. Good reason for grills to be outlawed on wooden balconies in apartment complexes......

Hopefully I'm not quite as stupid as I was back then. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Sorry to hijack the thread.
 
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<font color="blue"> The original post was referring to propane tanks that are used for grilles, and that was what I was commenting on. </font>

That clears things up totally. I read it thinking you meant ALL propane tanks. Knowing how messed up the laws are in some juristictions, it could actually mean that in some places though!
 
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Man those X games. My son's and I like then too! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gifThe only problem I have is the boys want to copy everything they do. Already had the seven year old fall off his bike this summer and break his elbow. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif An he was just riding down the road,
Take care
 
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Alan here's my grandson doing his seven weeks old imitation of Jeremy McGrath. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Check out the right hand's grip and the RRRRRRRRRR lipper action.
 

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