Pull Type Scraper

[ryer]

I am interested in the Hoeschler DB5 (48 inch width) pull type belly dump scraper. Is anyone familiar with this implement...quality? I cannot find information about the price and would a 20 pto hp tractor pull it through sand? This scraper is the type with tires that you can hydraulically dig and move material away from the site. Any information at all would be helpful. Thanks.

 

[dirt ditch]

I have seen the Hoeschler grader and scraper you are talking about but never used them (though would love to have both of them). Very well made equipment. From what I have heard it is expensive stuff. I dont know if a 20 horse tractor could pull it. Here is a link to a thread discussing Hoeschler equpment.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/114516-pics-some-neat-equipment.html

Let the rest of us know if you find prices.

 

[newt92]

Hi Ryer, There was a demo DB6 sold on E-Bay at the end of Feb for $2,025. It is a dealer about 35 miles from me. I took these pictures at another dealer awhile back, in case you missed them. http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/114516-pics-some-neat-equipment.html

Might also check there website for a dealer near you.

 

[newt92]

Ahh, Dirt Ditch you beat me to it!! hahaha

 

[dirt ditch]

Sorry newt, almost didn't getter posted, my mouse died and had to use the keyboard. one of those oh crud moments.

 

[chickenman]

here's a cheap version that works well

 

[gabby]

20 hp won't be near enough. You will need 50 hp or more. Dirt pans pull really hard when you're loading them.

 

[bx24]

Gabby-

I would not argue the point that more HP is better (especially in this case), but couldn't you simply take smaller "bites" so you would not push things so hard?

How big is that Deere they show on their web site video?

 

[dirt ditch]

How big is that Deere they show on their web site video?

Looks like a 4000 TEN series. some where in the 28 - 48 HP range. The scraper he is pulling in the video looks like the 5ft model.

 

[JerryG]

20 HP is not enough. I spoke to someone at the company a while back. The best I can remember, they recommended a 33 PTO HP compact or it could have been a 40 PTO HP. compact. It's been a while.

 

[newt92]

I agree, 20 hp is not enough. You need a tractor that is somewhat heavy to have decent traction. 20 horsepower might be enough, but that size tractor will not be heavy enough, that scraper will pull hard!!! I have a 6' box scraper pictured below and I can stop my 2520 at will if I want to.

 

[DDT]

In have had a DB-6 for over 3 years now, man it has moved a lot of dirt. I use it with a Kubota 5030. It is all it wants at times but works bery well. I agree 20hp is too small.

 

[ryer]

DDT,
I notice you have a DB6, I was looking at their DB4 (48 in width). Do you think a L3400 with 27 PTO hp would be enough for that one? I have yet to purchase a tractor but I am close. I am also ignorant about the need for PTO hp compared to regular hp. Do you pull the scraper box and just use hydrolics to tilt the scraper blade and bucket or where does the PTO hp come into play? Also, I have not yet found a price Hoeschler 48 but I did find a price on the Durabilt 5 ft today for $3300. Are you familiar with this brand? I will be pulling sand...no rocks...maybe clay if it will dig it and would 4 wheel drive help? Thanks for any advice you can give me.

 

[mark.r]

I wouldn't be concerned about the brand quality. Many, many, many people use their hay accumulators and have been for years to bale 10's of thousands of bales with no issues. They come highly recommended.

 

[JerryG]

Some companies list implement limits by PTO HP instead of engine HP. That's because PTO HP is more representative of the actual power the tractor has available for use.

 

[dirt ditch]

I will be pulling sand...no rocks...maybe clay if it will dig it and would 4 wheel drive help?

I would think MFWD would be a necessity.

 

[MJPetersen]

My Father-in-law had a 4 cu yard pull scraper that he pulled with a 2 wheel drive JD 2320. It had wide diamond tread orange grove tires and it pulled the scraper very well. Sure you could stop it, but when you had room to take thinner slices and you kept momentum you could pull it and move tons of sand in FL. I personally drove it. It was wider than 4 feet--more like 5 or 6 I would say.

I personally believe that you could use profitably the 4 footer with 20 hp. I have seen pictures of people using this kind of scraper with a lawn tractor!! [I am fully aware that it is not as big as the Hoelscher] On the other end, I have driven Terex 16 yard and 24 yard machines (2 engines front and rear) and the grand daddy of all the CAT 651B (34 yard). These machines are not designed to self load, but rather they are pushed.

The beauty of the scrapers is that the scraper itself adds not only drag, but weight to the tractor. If you are careful, have room to take thin slices and try to maintain momentum you will be able to move a bunch of dirt with only 20 hp.

I will include a couple of pics that I have seen of these machines to illustrate what I am saying.

Mike

 

[gabby]

Gabby-

I would not argue the point that more HP is better (especially in this case), but couldn't you simply take smaller "bites" so you would not push things so hard?

How big is that Deere they show on their web site video?

Pans are "squirrely" machines. A lot depends on hp and the type of soil. Sand does not load well because it just rolls along in front of the blade plus it doesn't give good traction for the pulling tires. The dirt needs some stiffness to force itself up into the pan in sheets, and to do this you need hp and speed so you can take enough bite.

I have a 4.5 foot wide pan that will hold about 3-4 yards. I pull it with 160 hp and new 20.8 by 38 tires. It bogs that tractor down, especially towards the end of the loading sequence when the pan is getting full. Most loads are not full to the top because it just won't load it any more.

Now I know why the pro's use the big articulated 4wd tractors with 8 big tires to pull their tandem pans. It takes unbelievable pulling power to load a pan all the way to the top.

 

[darkviper]

Personally i think a 20 HP 4wd will do it if used with some sense. Id bet i could pullit with my CK 20. I just dont know if it will lift it since there is a 1100# limit on the lift/ I would be more concerned about the lift capacity of the 3pt Hitch. I am thinking about the pan you are talking about for my ck 20. I will tell you that i have a cammond 5 foot drag scraper.http://www.cammond.com/PDF/COMPACT DRAG.pdf
It holds about 1/2 yard heaped and i have pulled dirt over the top of it and kept going pulling full speed in low range about 5 mph. Going uphill since it is a hydro is a little tough somtimes but on flat land and going down hill no problem. If you get one let me know as i am seriously considering it. Just understand that you may have to take small bites at time. But as efficeint as a pan is that doesnt matter.