Pulling electrical wire -

[Junkman]

No need to be confused.... do it any way that you find easiest to do it for you. My suggestion was to have the wire on the rolls and the spools supported so you could pull 10' and put that into the first piece of conduit. Then pull off another 12' of wire and slip the conduit over the wire and glue the two ends together. Keep doing this till you get to the end. Just lie the conduit on the ground as you go. When you get to the end, then put the entire run into the trench and cover. Use newspaper on the ground when you are making the splices of conduit to keep everything clean. This was the easierst method for me. If I had a lot of help and a winch, I might have done it differantly, but I didn't and my method worked. In the end, that is all that I was concerned with. No one was looking over my shoulder to see if it was the NEC approved method and when it was done, no one could tell either. I believe that the proper experession is .... "there is more than one way to skin a cat!"...... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Your project, so do what you think is best for your circumstances. No matter how you do it, remember to keep the dirt out of the pipe and to clean and glue each connection well.

 

[Lazy]

Hi
Junkman it seems to me each time you add a section of conduit you are then pulling thru that section and all previous sections and without the conduit anchored after about 3 sections you will be moving both wire and conduit. Thats why you need to have the conduit installed so it can't move before trying to pull the wire, if pulling the wire into the conduit first were the easiest way to do it then electricians would do it that way. but if it works fer you then do it that way. If it was me I would install the conduit then pull the wire. and use the largest size conduit you can afford to make the pulling easier. the more you handle the wire the more likely you will damage it.

Charlie.

 

[DannyD]

I like the put the conduit on the wire, glue it and let it go method. Who is going to tell the inspector if you dont. If you have room to lay out each section between the boxes that would be the simplest method.........just dont pay attention to the guy with the camera in the car painted gray and having inspector stickers on it. I doubt the inspectors main objective is to make you do it again

 

[keeney]

The reason the code requires the conduit to be assembled first is of the high probability of damage to the wire when assembling conduit around it. Especially metal conduit.

Conduit fittings are designed to protect the wire from sharp edges after they are assembled, but not necessaily before they are assembled.

- Rick

 

[DannyD]

Reminds me of a story about a gas line inspector. Seems he refused a permit on a small thing, made the contractor fix it, then he would come back....

the guy fixed it, but that nite it also rained to beat the devil, inspector shows up and asked if he fixed it. He made the inspector get in 5 foot of water to inspect the small item. I really dont think this would happen again, but who knows.

 

[8NTX]

Fortunately, there are no inspectors to deal with. Property is in the country and no permits, inspections, etc. are required. I just want to do it right. I have decided, unless advised otherwise the day of installation, that I will put in a pull box and break it down into two sections. Use 2" pvc, connected at the main panel (not wiring); plenty of wire lube, and a total of 4 other helpers lending a hand (including the electrician).

If...I can straighten this out to 500 ft. or less by going through the woods, I will spend a day with the chain saw and brush hog clearing out 300 ft. or so through the woods wide enough for the trencher.

A couple of notes to others who offered advice and opinions: looked into solar, but decided against it since it was only going to save about $700 (net taking into account the 12V conversion for the hoist), and I would still need to run trail lights. Plus harder to guard against theft, since the boathouse is in a remote and secluded location out of sight of our house or even other property owners. And my cost will end up at around $2.10 per foot for the wire, elbows, pull box, and conduit.

I appreciate everyone's help, comments and advice on this one, because I truly am an amateur when it comes to wiring. It will happen one week from today, weather permitting.

 

[Egon]

Uh- I think you pull the wire through the conduit. Not pull the conduit over the wire.

Egon

 

[5030]

Egon:

Must be those Canadian cigarettes. I hear the tobacco causes dementia.

 

[SPIKER]

I somewhat agree with others.

for the cost and hassle of the 600 foot wire trench pulling conduit and such you could but a 5500 watt generator mount it on a small 3 point rig for the tractor and tractor it down to the boat house anytime you were going to need power out there! you will have plenty of power with that 5500 watt generator and only cost 500 bucks. plus a bit of time making a small trailer or 3 point mount set up. or jusst haul it in the tractor bucket if it has FEL.

otherwise yes assemble the conduit first, the chance of GLUE sticking to the wires is one of the reasons for assemble it first, beside the damage issue mentioned above....

use ONLY approved LUBE for the wires.

break the conduit outside the house where it is all straight feed and start the pull from there. the conduit that goes into the house can be left loose. then when the wire is out at the end of the boat house. (again leave the last few feet where the sub panel is going to be off the assembled conduit run. and pull out more than enough wire to push through the last few feet of conduit by hand with a small fish tape pulling from inside where the sub panel goes.) you need extra room in the trench at these points to assemble the ends of the conduit after the wire is in but if you plan it ahead of time it makes it a bit easier. DON'T mount the sub panel untill the wire is pulled up and into it and the conduit is glued.!

after the wire is all pulled and pushed and glued then wire it up...

anyhow my vote is for a generator. the solar is OK too. the cost to build a locable box and mount the generator or solar setup would be easy enough. but with a small portable generator I would just take it there when needed if you are worried about theft.!

Mark M /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Egon]

Nahh- - It's the cold , Stops blood circulation.

Egon