Pump from Bottle Jack

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#31  
Naysayers,

Your replies are not well thought out. You apparently just want to be negative. You may have a basic understanding of hydraulics, but you pick parts of my statements to make a point, and ignore any qualifying language.

Only one example: My qualifications were that I needed to lift 700 lbs. in MORE than 1 second. I never set a top limit, but suggested 2 seconds was also reasonable. I KNOW there is enough fluid and enough mechanical advantage in a 2 ton bottle jack to lift 700 lbs 3 inches in two seconds. Anyone that can think will also know that.

4000/666 ~ 6. 666 is close enough to 700 and I want even numbers.

If I pivot a lever at one end and place my 2 ton bottle jack under the lever at the 1 inch point. (for the **** retentive I'll substitute a knife edge for the jack anvil.) Now I'll hang a 666 lb. weight at the 7 inch point.

Result if the bottle jack moves 1/8 per each "pump" of the handle with the 666 lb. the bottle jack will then move up 1/2 inch in 4 pumps of the handle. Since the lever has a 6-1 mechanical advantage the 666 lb. weight will move 3 inches. I can easily pump that jack 4 times in 1 second. My grandmother can probably pump it 4 times in 2 seconds.

If the jack ram will only move 1/16 of an inch in one pump then I can do the job in 2 seconds.

All that hoodoo voodoo math you've been throwing at me is wrong. Maybe grounded in truth, but mistakes were made. And don't be telling me that my example is not relevant. Work is work(scientifically). If the jack will do the job with the lever it can be configured to do it mostly hydraulically. I knew it would work when I asked the question. I didn't ask if it would work, I just wanted someone to look at what I was doing to see if I left something out. Not sure I explained the situation properly as few have indicated they understood what I wanted to do. That would be my fault.
 
   / Pump from Bottle Jack #32  
Wow, where did the attitude come from ?, I didn't see anybody naysaying ya :confused:
 
   / Pump from Bottle Jack #33  
Keep in mind, yrralguthrie, that you don't need our permission to do anything. You can do whatever you want, and we just hope you're kind enough to post back on the results so we can all learn together.

We're a group of mostly amateurs trying to share experience and help others see another point of view. If you make an effort to see it from the other point of view you may see that you left something out or you may see that you were right all along. Sometimes posts here are just dead wrong like my erroneous calculations of horsepower. Other times you'll get priceless advice that will improve everything.

In any case remember we're all in it together. Most everyone here is just trying to help everyone else in the best way they know how.
 
   / Pump from Bottle Jack #35  
Naysayers,

Your replies are not well thought out. You apparently just want to be negative. You may have a basic understanding of hydraulics, but you pick parts of my statements to make a point, and ignore any qualifying language.

Only one example: My qualifications were that I needed to lift 700 lbs. in MORE than 1 second. I never set a top limit, but suggested 2 seconds was also reasonable. I KNOW there is enough fluid and enough mechanical advantage in a 2 ton bottle jack to lift 700 lbs 3 inches in two seconds. Anyone that can think will also know that.

4000/666 ~ 6. 666 is close enough to 700 and I want even numbers.

If I pivot a lever at one end and place my 2 ton bottle jack under the lever at the 1 inch point. (for the **** retentive I'll substitute a knife edge for the jack anvil.) Now I'll hang a 666 lb. weight at the 7 inch point.

Result if the bottle jack moves 1/8 per each "pump" of the handle with the 666 lb. the bottle jack will then move up 1/2 inch in 4 pumps of the handle. Since the lever has a 6-1 mechanical advantage the 666 lb. weight will move 3 inches. I can easily pump that jack 4 times in 1 second. My grandmother can probably pump it 4 times in 2 seconds.

If the jack ram will only move 1/16 of an inch in one pump then I can do the job in 2 seconds.

All that hoodoo voodoo math you've been throwing at me is wrong. Maybe grounded in truth, but mistakes were made. And don't be telling me that my example is not relevant. Work is work(scientifically). If the jack will do the job with the lever it can be configured to do it mostly hydraulically. I knew it would work when I asked the question. I didn't ask if it would work, I just wanted someone to look at what I was doing to see if I left something out. Not sure I explained the situation properly as few have indicated they understood what I wanted to do. That would be my fault.

HERE IS A THOUGHT DON'T ASK FOR HELP YOU "KNOW IT ALL" SHUT OFF THE COMPUTER AND GO BUILD IT. YOUR THREAD IS POINTLESS
 
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#36  
So now that you've got that out of your system. Care to comment on either the original post or the physics of the last post. I believe I'm correct, if so then living under a bridge didn't hurt my reasoning any. :laughing:

ljg
 
   / Pump from Bottle Jack #37  
So now that you've got that out of your system. Care to comment on either the original post or the physics of the last post. I believe I'm correct, if so then living under a bridge didn't hurt my reasoning any. :laughing:

ljg

Glad to see you back!

I'd say go for it and let us know how the build progresses.

What are you building anyway?
 
   / Pump from Bottle Jack #38  
I didn't ask if it would work, I just wanted someone to look at what I was doing to see if I left something out.

If you left something out then it would not work , so what are we supposed to answer then. You have spent more time posting than it would take to build it , again turn off the computer and DO IT !
 
   / Pump from Bottle Jack #39  
Without intimate knowledge of how a jack works, this modification of a jack could only result in a complete waste of time, energy, money (not to mention dangerous hazards from poor fabrication methods).....why not just buy (or find) the right components to make what you want.......

Manual pumps are not new to hydraulics, they have been used for many years...If a bottle jack manufacturer could have done this years ago you'd have seen this........

I have a project of making a dump trailer with a rebuilt manual pump that is perfect for this application too.....Power Packer 92 SERIES PUMPS.....

It has a double acting pump, whereas each movement of the handle raises the load (both directions)......
 

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