Pump recommendation from river

[MNBobcat]

Have you thought about the chemicals and crud in the water that you might be passing on to the cows?

 

[leonz]

I need to pump from a river up an embankment to water my cows. I'm guessing its maybe 150-200 feet vertical and maybe a 45 degree angle. I don't need a big flow- maybe 150-200 gallons over night to fill a water stock tank. The river is only about 3 feet deep. I'm thinking a deep well pump is what I need to overcome the lift/head as most readily available reasonably priced sprinkler head pumps seem to be good for only 100 feet or so. But with a shallow river it seems I need some sort of well pump that will work horizontally. Does anybody have any suggestions- pump, size, manufacturer, etc ?

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Hello Farmer Bob,

As you have no power at the site a ram pump will work but the issue is the feed water distance to the Ram pump to create the minimum head pressure to operate the clacker valve.


The ram depends upon the rivers drop to provide the force to do the job to charge the bell of the ram to force the water with the clacker and the pressure chamber.


Sizing the ram wil be the main issue and then installing the piping from the water tank to the ram.


A two pipe jet will work from the pasture with no problems. but you will need a generator to run the jet pump and a reserve supply of water at the tank if the jet needs to be primed.


If you can create a sluice with a box of some kind in the water to feed the jet with clear water you will always have water.

You should plan on a one horse power pump and a one inch drive pipe pump(the business end of a jet pump)with a three quarter inch delivery pipe to the stock tank.


You will save a wad of money by buying the Black PVC pipe in 500 foot rolls
as you will only have to make 8 connections for the two driven pipe check valves, the barbed fittings, and the drive water pipe check valves used to maintain water in the drive pipe at all times, and the 16 good gear type hose clamps.


The issues with a deep well submersible in this case are line drop, amperage load, available cooling water, and delivered torque with no aid from a torque arrestor.

A 220 volt pump would work as it will be 2 wire pump but the issues are listed above.


As long as the jet pump does not lose prime it will always work. the main issue is fouling of the jet with dirt and it wil need to be cleaned by removing it
from the water and then putting it back in the water and repriming the jet pump as you lose the water from first check valve in the one inch pipe at 200 feet to the water line.

A submersible pump will be pumping water against water pushing all the water up the single pipe system where the 2 pipe jet pump is driving the water with a larger volume of water reducing the force needed as the one inch water line is pushing the 3/4 water column is doing all the work.

The one inch pipe will have 314 gallons of water in it to drive the 3/4 inch water column of 176 gallons at all times(water quantities rounded lower)

 

[Just Bill]

Have you thought about the chemicals and crud in the water that you might be passing on to the cows?

Just think how bad it would be if it was city water.

 

[JohninCT]

What about a water wagon?

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Instead of running power and water lines to and from the river you could drag the wagon down when needed and fill it up and fill your stock tank.

 

[leonz]

I dont think he has room for a water bowser tank
trailer and a tractor to get the water by the
sounds of it.

At least with the jet pump he will be able to
chlorinate and filter the water entering the
stock tank at the stock tank every day
to maintain his herds health to a very high
standard very inexpensively.

River water should be chlorinated and carbon
filtered as a matter of principal because of
the disease organisms present in surface water.

It would be a piece of cake to set up scaffolding
to support a black plastic poly tank ment for drinking
water, and pump the water into the tank once every
seven days to allow contact time for the small amount
of chlorine injected into the water to sterilise it.

And allow him to have more water in the tank per animal
as they each may need more than 35 gallons per day as
salt should be provided as well.

The use of a white plastic tank will allow algae to
grow in the tank even with chlorine dosing as it is
exposed to sunlight.

I want you to succeed and not fail and have sick animals
infected with water borne parasites like Giardia and other
diseases and have them die on you simply because its
dirty untreated driver water. :thumbsup:

 

[Egon]

The Ram Pump idea sounds interesting. Do some checking on it.

A small submersible should work just fine. Make a cement block to hold it and the piping, pump and pump screen in place and drop the whole thing in the river.

Talk to the fellows at a pump shop, if possible, on sizes available.

If you really need water treatment look at ultraviolet and a two section water tank.

 

[mmurphy]

I was raised on a dairy farm and never treated the water in the creek for our cows! I would be more scared of trihalomethanes treating a surface water with chlorine not knowing how to remove organics. Now we are talking about a surface treatment water plant.