Purchasing a Kubota L series. Advice on negotiating?

[edgarrian]

This is a great question.
It is, because it separates procedural sales tactics that either emanates the predator or the cooperative.
I’m not here to be predatory toward ppl. I prefer to lend joy as opposed to consternation.
Based on that wiring, the first thing I’d do is to discover why they want this car. Needs and wants sometimes oppose each other and I’m not about to put anyone on a financial ladder for the sake of a sale.

I’d always give ppl a discount. I’d tell them how much l could afford to give and why. I was always fair and expected the same.
Some simply have chips on their shoulders toward sales ppl but l never remained a target of their toxicity and would simply relate that perhaps the way we did business wasn’t a fit for them.
They’d either leave or purchase and the dealership kept their reputation as a straight up and fair place of business.

Well that is refreshing to hear. To be honest the sales person that I talked to buying my tractor was really easy to get along with. The deal didnt take long at all. Sadly they are moving to small engines and mowing. They are getting out of the tractor sales business. He said their numbers were consistently going down. Now I could have purchased from his competitor that was probably 1.5hrs away. I believe it was around 500 more off than what i was getting from the guy I was talking to. So i didnt feel the need to buy from the other company

Honestly my dad seems to have chip on his shoulder when he deals. Which is how i learned but my approach is vastly different than his. For example when i purchased my new truck in 2019. I had done most of the negotiating through email b/c it was out of state. The truck was going to be there when I went to sign for it. Well as I was in sales persons office he said it wasn't there yet so I was being light hearted and said well i guess thats another discount on the extended warranty. So when I talked to the finance guy. He said he was worried I was going to get really upset. I said no. **** happens but I still want that discount. He gave it me and I received the truck 2 days later. So I think being kind gets you much further in life than being a hard ass. I was actually working about 3 hrs away for a few weeks so it wasn't a big deal. We all make mistakes. Heck they were willing to help me out with a hotel stay if i needed it.

 

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Well that is refreshing to hear. To be honest the sales person that I talked to buying my tractor was really easy to get along with. The deal didnt take long at all. Sadly they are moving to small engines and mowing. They are getting out of the tractor sales business. He said their numbers were consistently going down. Now I could have purchased from his competitor that was probably 1.5hrs away. I believe it was around 500 more off than what i was getting from the guy I was talking to. So i didnt feel the need to buy from the other company

Honestly my dad seems to have chip on his shoulder when he deals. Which is how i learned but my approach is vastly different than his. For example when i purchased my new truck in 2019. I had done most of the negotiating through email b/c it was out of state. The truck was going to be there when I went to sign for it. Well as I was in sales persons office he said it wasn't there yet so I was being light hearted and said well i guess thats another discount on the extended warranty. So when I talked to the finance guy. He said he was worried I was going to get really upset. I said no. **** happens but I still want that discount. He gave it me and I received the truck 2 days later. So I think being kind gets you much further in life than being a hard ass. I was actually working about 3 hrs away for a few weeks so it wasn't a big deal. We all make mistakes. Heck they were willing to help me out with a hotel stay if i needed it.

There are price reasons to purchase elsewhere when pricing is overwhelmingly differentiated.
I’ve had ppl leave me for $50 but what they thought they were getting didn’t pan out including ppl l knew whose spouse didn’t know me.
At the time, we got $450 for a two axle brake job.
I would see some of these ppl later and they would ask if $1150 for their latest job was a good price at the dealership they bought at.
I would always say they did marvelously. Why break their hearts.
A dealership who undercuts every other dealership in sales makes their money in service. A dealership will make their money one way or another.

It is evident to me that you are kind, level headed person. You deserve to be treated with fairness and with above board sales methodology.
It is probably why you get what you want.

 

[edgarrian]

There are price reasons to purchase elsewhere when pricing is overwhelmingly differentiated.
I’ve had ppl leave me for $50 but what they thought they were getting didn’t pan out including ppl l knew whose spouse didn’t know me.
At the time, we got $450 for a two axle brake job.
I would see some of these ppl later and they would ask if $1150 for their latest job was a good price at the dealership they bought at.
I would always say they did marvelously. Why break their hearts.
A dealership who undercuts every other dealership in sales makes their money in service. A dealership will make their money one way or another.

It is evident to me that you are kind, level headed person. You deserve to be treated with fairness and with above board sales methodology.
It is probably why you get what you want.

Yea I have heard people over paying for brakes as well. I do that sort of stuff myself but there have been times where I didnt have the ability. So I went to midas. Keep in mind this 15 year ago. Maybe more. But they wanted 600 for front brakes. I asked him to print off the line item for services charged. They were charging 40 just to bleed brakes as well as some other ridiculous charges. I was able to get the price down to 400 which in my head is still a lot. People dont understand it removing the wheel and then 4 bolts. It really easy. If someone asked on the forum if a service is to much. I dont have problem with saying yes or no but if the deed is already done and they are asking if they were took. They already know the answer so like you said. Why break their hearts.

thanks for the solid words. It would be great to deal with a person like urself most of the time

 

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Yea I have heard people over paying for brakes as well. I do that sort of stuff myself but there have been times where I didnt have the ability. So I went to midas. Keep in mind this 15 year ago. Maybe more. But they wanted 600 for front brakes. I asked him to print off the line item for services charged. They were charging 40 just to bleed brakes as well as some other ridiculous charges. I was able to get the price down to 400 which in my head is still a lot. People dont understand it removing the wheel and then 4 bolts. It really easy. If someone asked on the forum if a service is to much. I dont have problem with saying yes or no but if the deed is already done and they are asking if they were took. They already know the answer so like you said. Why break their hearts.

thanks for the solid words. It would be great to deal with a person like urself most of the time.

That’s just what my wife says…..I’m good for most of the time..

 

[tradosaurus]

I Certainly wish it was like you are saying. Now I enjoy good bantering back in forth. All the times I have gone through the finance department. That seems like it takes awhile even after everything has been agreed upon. I believe I was i there for an hour but we were also talking. Total time of the dealership was 4 hours. It included test drive, both my wife and i drove. Id say negotiating was 2hrs maybe a little longer. there are some places that do the know haggling and prices are what they are. Carmax i believe does this

And then there is Tesla where I bought and financed my car online within 30 minutes. Maybe Tesla will start selling tractors?

 

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And then there is Tesla where I bought and financed my car online within 30 minutes. Maybe Tesla will start selling tractors?

So far, the electric tractor has not taken off bigly.
We tried one at the dealership but its largest limitation was shortened work time in cold weather.
Hard work such as skidding trees also cut into its efficacy. The price was about the same but for less work capability.
I think the compact tractor platform doesn’t provide the actual physical space for the good size battery these really need for cold climates and heavy work. They have electric bulldozers but those batteries are quite large being about 4 times the size in your car.
As battery tech advances, maybe at that point but the electric tractor certainly has its place for the average homeowner imo.

 

[edgarrian]

And then there is Tesla where I bought and financed my car online within 30 minutes. Maybe Tesla will start selling tractors?

EV tractors have a long way to go . Lets be honest so do EV vehicles. I wonder if EVs allow for negotiating. Id imagine not b/c everyone sold is a loss except tesla vehicles

 

[tradosaurus]

EV tractors have a long way to go . Lets be honest so do EV vehicles. I wonder if EVs allow for negotiating. Id imagine not b/c everyone sold is a loss except tesla vehicles

I wasn't serious about EV tractor. Concerning EV's, it depends upon how you define "long way to go".
Personally I'm to the point now that I won't own anything but an EV.

 

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Personally, I think EV technology is already antiquated. There is something else on the horizon and this EV stuff is just a temporary Stop gap measure for some people to make money with right now.
It’s introduction just hasn’t been handled correctly no matter how many commercials they try to make to shove it down on throats.
As with anything else, it fits in some people‘s lifestyles and with others, not so much.

 

[edgarrian]

Personally, I think EV technology is already antiquated. There is something else on the horizon and this EV stuff is just a temporary Stop gap measure for some people to make money with right now.
It’s introduction just hasn’t been handled correctly no matter how many commercials they try to make to shove it down on throats.
As with anything else, it fits in some people‘s lifestyles and with others, not so much.

The only Manufacturer making money on EVs is Tesla. It took them 13 years turn a profit. In my eyes 13 years of losses doesn't mean the company as a whole is profitable. Brand recognition has really helped Tesla stay a float.

I hope you are right about EVs being a Stop Gap but if you look at everything the Department of Loans was approving. It was Battery Manufacturing, Solar manufacturing and so on. I dont think its a stop gap considering how much the loans office was loaning out to get the EV market going.