Question for the smart guys and a lets have some fun

[LouNY]

A good sized off road forklift can move and set those easily for you.

As far as stopping they will stop just as easily as if it had an 8000# tractor on the trailer or load of hay, trailer brakes.

 

[1930]

A good sized off road forklift can move and set those easily for you.

As far as stopping they will stop just as easily as if it had an 8000# tractor on the trailer or load of hay, trailer brakes.

Ive looked at Sunbelt rentals website for an off road forklift ( someone else mentioned same ) is there another name for these things, not having any luck with those keywords on sunbelt website

EDIT: I think I found them, start out at about 1000 per week plus transport. I need a dozer out there anyway so cant justify. I need it for maybe 2 hrs tops

395 plus prob 3-400 one way transport fee

 

[4570Man]

Towing yes but I was questioning the stopping in a panic scenario.

Zero difference in stopping compared to a smaller equal weight load.

 

[LouNY]

Could be under Rough Terrain Forklift,
or a Telehandler.

 

[1930]

Could be under Rough Terrain Forklift,
or a Telehandler.

yes rough terrain

 

[paulfun9]

Recently used some logs, pipes, jack and tractor to set one for a friend.

 

[4570Man]

Both of the trucks you pictured are DRW 3500s. There’s a huge difference between that and a 250. Those trucks are well within their towing capacity. So taking wind load out of the equation which is by far the biggest danger what’s your logic that that’s harder to stop than a 9,000 pound tractor? You wouldn’t blink an eye at a guy using a 3500 DRW truck with a duel tandem trailer with a 9,000 pound load on it. If you want to talk about the unsafe towing you should look at the guy using a ranger to tow a L2501 tractor on a poorly built trailer with no trailer brakes.

 

[4570Man]

Ive looked at Sunbelt rentals website for an off road forklift ( someone else mentioned same ) is there another name for these things, not having any luck with those keywords on sunbelt website

EDIT: I think I found them, start out at about 1000 per week plus transport. I need a dozer out there anyway so cant justify. I need it for maybe 2 hrs tops

395 plus prob 3-400 one way transport fee

If it’s so soft that the trucks both got stuck an all terrain forklift may not fair a lot better. I’d wait until you get the dozer and just drag them. And it would take a pretty big all terrain forklift to handle a 9,000 pound box. Your average telhandler or backwards tractor lift won’t do that much.

 

[dougtrr2]

The total amount of energy to stop the falling/thrown bricks would be the same. However, the area that force is spread out over would be different.

Doug in SW IA

 

[Jstpssng]

Both of the trucks you pictured are DRW 3500s. There痴 a huge difference between that and a 250. Those trucks are well within their towing capacity. So taking wind load out of the equation which is by far the biggest danger what痴 your logic that that痴 harder to stop than a 9,000 pound tractor? You wouldn稚 blink an eye at a guy using a 3500 DRW truck with a duel tandem trailer with a 9,000 pound load on it. If you want to talk about the unsafe towing you should look at the guy using a ranger to tow a L2501 tractor on a poorly built trailer with no trailer brakes.

Exactly. These guys apparently deliver them for a living; they would have the proper truck to do the job without wasting money on overkill.. Driver experience and aptitude also come into play whenever you are talking about hauling or even driving.

My Ford Ranger is rated to pull that L2501 when properly equipped; (7500 lb towing capacity) yet I wouldn't attempt it because I want a wider margin of error. Somebody with more experience towing loads could do it safely.

 

[rScotty]

I do not understand how size cannot be part of the equation? In my mind something that dwarfs another object in size would be much more difficult to control

If the mass and velocity is the same for each when you threw them - and you said that they were - then the total energy to stop them is the same too.

But you do have a point on controllability. Suppose that you put a spin on both boxes. Now you've added a different type of energy to the experiment. What then?
rScotty

 

[k0ua]

To sum it all up, the OP was having trouble believing that a 1 ton dually could safely tow such a large object like the 40 foot cargo container. And obviously it can and it can do it all day. Now whether it can deliver it across a sand pit is another matter, but then again what other wheeled vehicle could do that either? If it is on sand, it should be fairly easy to drag across it.

 

[LouNY]

Nothing hard about siteing a containor with the right equipment;
LIFT KING AF13 13 Lb 4x4x4 Rough Terrain Forklift Lot #783 | Ritchie Bros. Auctioneers

 

[Topzide]

"In my opinion if someone were to brake check either one of these vehicles with these enormous containers on the rear then someone would become very hurt."

If that were to happen, then the person that brake checked could be charged! That's why I have a dash cam for when someone cuts in front of me. I've had too many times when I'm towing and allowing proper driving distance between me and the vehicle in front of me, someone fills that gap!

This thread reminds me of my physics class, would a pound of feathers or a pound of lead hit the ground at same speed and energy?

 

[CobyRupert]

To sum it all up, the OP was having trouble believing that a 1 ton dually could safely tow such a large object like the 40 foot cargo container. And obviously it can and it can do it all day. Now whether it can deliver it across a sand pit is another matter, but then again what other wheeled vehicle could do that either? If it is on sand, it should be fairly easy to drag across it.

The wind resistance of the 40 foot cargo container would make it slow down (and stop) quicker than stopping its equivalent weight of gold bars on the trailer. Wind resistance makes going up hills or driving on the flat a harder pull too.

 

[k0ua]

The wind resistance of the 40 foot cargo container would make it slow down (and stop) quicker than stopping its equivalent weight of gold bars on the trailer. Wind resistance makes going up hills or driving on the flat a harder pull too.

If I am going to tow something, I would rather that it be the gold bars. Especially if we are headed to my house with them..

 

[Jstpssng]

"In my opinion if someone were to brake check either one of these vehicles with these enormous containers on the rear then someone would become very hurt."

If that were to happen, then the person that brake checked could be charged! That's why I have a dash cam for when someone cuts in front of me. I've had too many times when I'm towing and allowing proper driving distance between me and the vehicle in front of me, someone fills that gap!

This thread reminds me of my physics class, would a pound of feathers or a pound of lead hit the ground at same speed and energy?

What is the correct answer? In that case it seems that there would be some wind resistance in the case of the feathers, yet the example is really apples and oranges compared to the OP's cargo trailer vs the gold which somebody is hopefully about to deliver to my house.

 

[/pine]

One critical factor that I have not seen applied to the original hypothetical question is the coefficient of friction...it especially applies if the two bricks are of different size...

 

[4570Man]

What is the correct answer? In that case it seems that there would be some wind resistance in the case of the feathers, yet the example is really apples and oranges compared to the OP's cargo trailer vs the gold which somebody is hopefully about to deliver to my house.

Maybe in a vacuum they’d be equal but for all practical applications the lead will hit the ground faster. Maybe in theory at equal speed the energy would be the same but the soft feathers will dissipated energy and the lead is going to do a much better job transferring energy.

 

[/pine]

Horizontal velocity does not alter the effect (rate of fall) of gravity...