Question on tractor model

tillboy2001 · Sep 13, 2004

Oh I think I figured it out! The 'b' is really a 6 - so it's a model 640. The rest of the info below the b40 is the sequence number.
According to:
http://members.aol.com/naa60512/serial.htm

Guess I still need to know exactly what year?

I'll do the pictures some other time - it's already in the barn for the evening.

Soundguy · Sep 13, 2004

Ford stampers were wonderful guys.. I's for 1's.. b's for 6's.. etc.

I'm pretty sure you have a 640.. a '55 I would guess.

Soundguy

Soundguy · Sep 13, 2004

Ken.. I'm home now and have found a few of my books, including my master parts catalog covering the 960. I'd be more than happy to fax you the exploded parts diagrams tomorrow morning when I get to work. It's a pretty simple setup they used 50 years ago.. I'm sure you can work thru the diagrams to find your problem.

I'm looking for a few parts sources, as I have a used a few that cover the late hundred series.. just waiting for some email back. Also, if you need a shop manual.. try the I&T FO20 it covers the 501 thru 4000 for the 4 cyl fords.

If your interested in the faxed parts diagrams and the parts list, PM me with your fax number and when to fax tomorrow. I'm in florida, so figure out whatever time that is for you so i don't fax too early or late.. etc.

If it ends up being a draft control linkage problem, or some of the valving, I know where you can get them used, in good shape. as well as the gaskets, orings, and piston.. etc ( they all use the NAA replacement piston.. etc. ).

It looks fairly straight forward for the lift cover.. all the hundred series share one common diagram, and it lists parts from 55-59, for most applications.

Soundguy

Soundguy · Sep 13, 2004

Oh yeah.. forgot to tell you how to prime/bleed it..

Loosen the plug on the front of the pump with the tractor idling very slow.. wait for all the bubbles to quit.. this should do it if it is pumping.. if it is dry.. squirt some oil in there at the opening.

Some do this without the tractor running, but just using the starter to turn the tractor over.. you could pull the spark plugs if you wanted to.. etc.

Watch for an oily mess...

Soundguy

Soundguy · Sep 13, 2004

Ken.. I just talked to a friend with a 971 that he's owned for 35 years. he said his hyd pump will loose prime if he lets it set for more than a couple weeks.. and has pretty much done this the entire life of the tractor. He bought one of those little air valves like you bleed water out of an air compressor, and bushinged it up for that plug that screws into the pump. He started the tractor, and if the hyds didn't work, he opened the valve and let it bleed... he said this sometimes took a minute to get all the air out?

Just passing this along.

Soundguy

jinman · Sep 13, 2004

( A real apples to apples comparison eh? You'll notice i specifically said tc 30. Also.. I was comparing tractor to tractor.. not tractor to loader- tractor-loaded tires-wheel, frame, 3pt weights.. etc.
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If you'd taken the time to look instead of trying to show us how much you know, you'd see that I was not responding to you at all, Soundguy. PZ... said he was looking at a TC35 or TC40 and in another post several days ago he said he wanted a loader. Clearly, I was making a comparison based on what this gent asked. I made no reference to your TC30 comparison because it was out of context to what was asked. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

I told PZ... a couple of days ago that the tractor was not a Jubilee, but because of his grandfather's insistance, I wanted him to look at the serial number. I was sure that would clear up any doubt, and it has. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

( The 8n weighed more than that from the factory.. dry.. The NAA weighted more. )

WRONG! The 8N weighed 2410 lb and the Jubilee weighed 2510 lb. That's about 2500 lb as I said. Those are Ford's numbers and include air only in the tires and all other liquids. The weight of the operator is NOT included (Ford's words, not mine).

The model 640 tractor had minor improvements over the Jubilee, but like the Jubilee, it had a 4-speed transmission and it did not have a live PTO.

Soundguy, you are a smart guy and you've learned a lot about the old Fords in the short amount of time you have owned them. I know you mean well, and I just don't understand why you think you have to find some way to disagree with me. If you do it and you are wrong, I am going to respond. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Soundguy · Sep 14, 2004

( If you'd taken the time to look instead of trying to show us how much you know)

Ouch... was a comment like that necescary? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif I think I'll head on back to YTmag... crowds not as tough over there.

( , you'd see that I was not responding to you at all, )

I could see who the reply was to. But it still looked like a direct comparison between two dissimilar tractors, for anyone 'walking' into the thread.

( WRONG! The 8N weighed 2410 lb and the Jubilee weighed 2510 lb. That's about 2500 lb as I said. Those are Ford's numbers and include air only in the tires and all other liquids. The weight of the operator is NOT included (Ford's words, not mine).
)

That may be. I'll have to hit the manual when i get home. I was going off #'s I got online.

( it did not have a live PTO. )

When I was pointing out hat it was a hundred series, I still didn't know exactly what flavor it was. That's why i said that it may have options like the live pto ( or a 5 spd tranny ), and that we needed to know the exact variant it was...

( and I just don't understand why you think you have to find some way to disagree with me )

Sorry it looks like that.. but it wasn't the intention. The first block of posts kept coming up with NAA for the answer as to what this tractor was... big axle nut pretty much shoots that in the foot, with a few rare exceptions.

Boy.. this is a pretty hi-strung crowd here.... I think I'll drift back into lurk in this sub...

Soundguy

Tinkerer · Sep 15, 2004

While I won't get in the middle of what tractor will pull which one around and what the exact weight is, I will say this, I have a 640 and I think they are pretty good tractors. Mine has its share of problems, heck it is 50 years old, but it will still pull a 5 foot brush hog through heavy brush without problem. And it gets enought traction to disk, plow, grade, etc. without even breaking a sweat. The major disadvantage is non-live pto, but once you get used to that it becomes pretty much a non issue. It also does not have power steering, but it really doesn't need it. I believe you when you talk about pulling some heavy loads easily, they will do most of what you would want a tractor to do, with the exception of being a loader tractor. No power steering really makes that tough to turn with a loader on.

Soundguy · Sep 15, 2004

Yep.. the tractors with the 134 engine were rated for 3 bottoms, and 6' rotary mower...

Deffinately more HP than traction.

Soundguy

rambler · Sep 15, 2004

( Soundguy, Where would you start looking for solution to my problem? We bought this 960 Ford and had to rebuild the P/S and Hydraulic pump and have got everything going , except, Position Control on the 3 point. Where would you look first? I have already changed lever positions under the seat and the easy stuff.--Ken Sweet
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What exactly isn't going, Ken? Do you mean the 3pt does not work at all;

Do you mean draft mode works, but position control does not;

Or do you mean the hand lever that controls the 3pt arms does not work right?

If the first, then does any hydraulics work, or didn't the pump get primed?

If the second, then something went wrong with the draft/position lever internals.

If the third, it is typical for the cam follower pin in these machines to wear out & then the 3pt does not react correctly to where you put the lever - most of the 3pt 'action' happens in the top 1/2 inch of lever movement, or other strange results.

--->Paul