Highbeam
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Even when using the clutch I have found it smoother and quieter to disengage the pto after you back the throttle off but before the implement spins down, so while there is slack in the gears.
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Dmace said:
Thanks, Dmace. I'm sure that works, but the tractor ops manual states specifically to depress the clutch fully before shifting the PTO gear shift lever. CK 20 Owners Manual 7-23: "PTO shifting needs clutch operation. Press the clutch down completely to stop the tractor movement and any PTO driven equipment movement before shifting the PTO gear shift lever."
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bncsauve
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I can't imagine what clutch all you guys with the "fancy" hydrostatic transmissions are pushing. I thought only us poor people with gear transmissions had to push clutches?
Dmace
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pooters said:
I am pretty sure that is only when engaging the PTO. There is no way you are supposed to push in the clutch while the rear PTO is running. It makes a horrible grinding sound, yet it very easily slides out of PTO engagment without the clutch. I think this is why you can't just push the lever forward to engage the PTO, you have to slide it to the side slightly and then move it forward. This is so you don't accidently engage it without the clutch.
Highbeam
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On my CK30 the manual, p5-28, states that "PTO shifting needs clutch operation". Also that "to avoid damage of transmission, before shifting the PTO gear shift lever, fully disengage the main clutch".
It doesn't specify engaging or disengaging the PTO and associated clutch requirements. I assumed the clutch was required for any shifting much like I would clutch a pickup truck when shifting out of gear into neutral.
I get no strange noises by clutching with PTO at speed.
It doesn't specify engaging or disengaging the PTO and associated clutch requirements. I assumed the clutch was required for any shifting much like I would clutch a pickup truck when shifting out of gear into neutral.
I get no strange noises by clutching with PTO at speed.
coasterez
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For manuals tranniies, isn't that why it's a "2 stage" clutch?
Also, I'm not sure how you would use a posthole digger efficiently without using the clutch. Dropping the bit into and out of the hole and leaving the PTO engaged isn't the safest practice, and to disengage the PTO leaver on every "up cycle" would be a PITA. To clear a hole, I engage and drop the bit to the bottom, load it up with dirt, disengage by clutch, raise to near top of hole, reengage by clutch to throw the dirt off the bit, then repeat until the hole is cleared. To do this by lever, would not just be cumbersome, but also would probably do more wear and tear on the tractor.
BTW, I don't hear any noise from my PTO when the clutch is depressed. I almost wished I did have some indication when the PTO lever is engaged. I've forgotten to disengage the PTO a few times and started driving with the PHD spinning away. Not a safe thing to do.
I would think that it's fine to disengage the lever without clutching. But, it's also fine to disengage by clutching. And, of course, to always use the clutch when engaging the lever. I can't imagine that any harm comes from clutching to disengage, especially at lower RPM's. At higher RPM's, of course, there will be more wear on the clutch plate, much like when "burning rubber" on a car.
Also, I'm not sure how you would use a posthole digger efficiently without using the clutch. Dropping the bit into and out of the hole and leaving the PTO engaged isn't the safest practice, and to disengage the PTO leaver on every "up cycle" would be a PITA. To clear a hole, I engage and drop the bit to the bottom, load it up with dirt, disengage by clutch, raise to near top of hole, reengage by clutch to throw the dirt off the bit, then repeat until the hole is cleared. To do this by lever, would not just be cumbersome, but also would probably do more wear and tear on the tractor.
BTW, I don't hear any noise from my PTO when the clutch is depressed. I almost wished I did have some indication when the PTO lever is engaged. I've forgotten to disengage the PTO a few times and started driving with the PHD spinning away. Not a safe thing to do.
I would think that it's fine to disengage the lever without clutching. But, it's also fine to disengage by clutching. And, of course, to always use the clutch when engaging the lever. I can't imagine that any harm comes from clutching to disengage, especially at lower RPM's. At higher RPM's, of course, there will be more wear on the clutch plate, much like when "burning rubber" on a car.
kentrodngun
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coasterez, I have a manual tranny also and a PHD too. I follow the exact procedure you describe when "drilling" holes. Finding the neutral (off) position for the PTO is ofttimes a challenge - at least for me - and you're right, if the PHD is still spinning when you expect it not to be, it ups the pucker factor.
coasterez
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That's why it's important to keep folks at a good distance when using the phd. It may look pretty benign. But, don't let it get a hold of you! That little caricature warning picture tells it all.
I don't try to find the sweet spot on the clutch. I simply get in position to drill, place range lever in neutral and use the clutch freely to manage the phd. Trying to hold the clutch at some midpoint really wears me out. For me it's in or it's out.
I don't try to find the sweet spot on the clutch. I simply get in position to drill, place range lever in neutral and use the clutch freely to manage the phd. Trying to hold the clutch at some midpoint really wears me out. For me it's in or it's out.