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[Jstpssng]

Im following a 3200 square feet custom home in a large 1.5 acre city lot zoned for horses

To me, the part in italics is an oxymoron. A lot that size zoned for horses is ludicrous.

 

[ultrarunner]

To me, the part in italics is an oxymoron. A lot that size zoned for horses is ludicrous.

Yep... it connects to tens of thousands of acres of bridle trails connecting several Eastbay counties... it's one of the few urban cities so connected around here.

Truth is there are very few remaining horse owners as neighbors... the master plan was laid out in the 1940's and lot size minimum kept a rural feel being that it's inside the city limits.

Mom and Dad had 20 acres and I have almost 3 connected to the folks via the bridle trails.

I wonder what the minimum average required for horse zoning would be in San Francisco, New York, etc?

 

[Jstpssng]

Yep... it connects to thousands of acres of bridle trails connecting several counties with its own network to get there... it's one of the few big city places so connected.

Truth is there are few horse owners as neighbors... the master plan was laid out in the 1940's.

I wonder what the minimum average required for horse zoning would be in San Francisco, New York, etc?

Now it makes more sense. Before, I envisioned a McCloud type character riding his horse through the streets.

 

[WinterDeere]

To me, the part in italics is an oxymoron. A lot that size zoned for horses is ludicrous.

I once owned a house with a horse and carriage barn, on 0.19 acres. In fact, that entire town, all build 1870's - 1890's, was 0.2 acre lots with a carriage barn behind each house. The outhouses were right next to the horse stalls, in each.

My father owned a similar house in another town, built 1865, with a dual carriage barn behind the house on something like 0.3 acres. Almost as if "two horses and two carriages in every garage" predated our 1950's "two cars in every garage" version of the American Dream.

 

[Jstpssng]

I once owned a house with a horse and carriage barn, on 0.19 acres. In fact, that entire town, all build 1870's - 1890's, was 0.2 acre lots with a carriage barn behind each house. The outhouses were right next to the horse stalls, in each.

My father owned a similar house in another town, built 1865, with a dual carriage barn behind the house on something like 0.3 acres. Almost as if "two horses and two carriages in every garage" predated our 1950's "two cars in every garage" version of the American Dream.

I once rented an apartment with attached barn. The stalls were still intact, and the wooden floor still bore the old horseshoe scars. It also had 2 outhouses... one on the first floor and another directly over it on the second story. There was a wooden chute for the waste to go from second to first floor.

 

[ultrarunner]

A friend bought a 1890 home in urban Oakland near salt water Lake Merritt.

The home still had piping for gas lights and each bedroom had a water basin with a 1" lead waste line.

The lot was narrow but in the back was the carriage house... one horse stall and next to the stall the buggy.

He asked if I noticed anything in front of the carriage house... It had large circle which I was told was originally a turn table to turn the buggy around.

About a mile away is a small warehouse that was a stable deep in the city for the garbage company wagons and teams... zero lot line building.

Heck... my neighbor born in 1900 grew up on a 25x100 city lot... the oldest of 5 kids and the only boy.

They kept a milk cow in the back yard behind the 850 square feet home

His job was to mow neighborhood lawns and bring home the grass to feed the milk cow and he sold the manure to the folks where he mowed the lawns...

 

[plowhog]

What would be a typical property tax bill on a million dollar sale in your part of Nevada?

It tracks pretty close to tax rates in CA, so a $1M residence would have a $10k annual property tax bill.

But ..... a big difference ... the property tax is not recomputed on sale like in CA. So there are some properties at double the value paying less tax, and the reverse. The County updates tax rates and bills on a schedule that only they apparently know-- I have not seen any rhyme or reason to it.

Our tax bill has changed a couple of times in the last 10 years, but once was because we scraped the house off the property and built a brand new residence in its place.

And, of course, CA prop tax increases are limited by Prop 13- that doesn't apply here.

 

[ultrarunner]

It tracks pretty close to tax rates in CA, so a $1M residence would have a $10k annual property tax bill.

But ..... a big difference ... the property tax is not recomputed on sale like in CA. So there are some properties at double the value paying less tax, and the reverse. The County updates tax rates and bills on a schedule that only they apparently know-- I have not seen any rhyme or reason to it.

Our tax bill has changed a couple of times in the last 10 years, but once was because we scraped the house off the property and built a brand new residence in its place.

And, of course, CA prop tax increases are limited by Prop 13- that doesn't apply here.

Statewide California property tax is index from base year value at transfer unless exempt transfer plus a max 2% annual inflation factor... sounds great so far.

The kicker is voter approved special assessments which either require 55% voter approval or 2/3 voter approval for most things since 1978.

So me living in a city where voters love to pass property tax measures results in a tax at least 50% higher than the same value base year in the county and the county like Castro Valley offers superior benefits...

A million dollar Oakland assessment is closer to 20k annual property tax where as in the county about 11-12k

 

[paulsharvey]

That viewing from last week, they reached out, the best they could do was 4% reduction, and no contributions to closing costs. We told them no thanks.

 

[ultrarunner]

I usually say thank you and close letting the seller know Im evaluating other properties.