GPintheMitten
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Both videos look the same from the two companies.
Rear PTO Snow Blower That you use driving forward?
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Dave M7040
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When I originally got my Nuffield 465, I had a rear mounted traditional snow blower. One big issue was the transmission. The reverse gear, even in low range was too fast. I was able to get a special reverse gear which slowed things down, it was a lot of work to install but it helped. Once I got the inverted blower I had 10 gear speeds to choose from as I was traveling forward so was much better able to match travel speed to what the blower and tractor could handle. The Kubota being 4wd has about the same ability to pull the blower through deep snow as the Nuffield 2wd as the Nuffield was a much heavier tractor and if you raised the blower just off the ground all the weight was on the rear wheels anyway.
I dont think the cost premium for the inverted is exorbitant.
Dave M7040
I dont think the cost premium for the inverted is exorbitant.
Dave M7040
leonz
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You can also visit www.plowsite.com and find comments about them as the users are commercial snow plow contractors.
If you have a hydrostatic transmission on your mule you can simply turn sideways and operate a rear mount snow blower.
If you have a mule with a swivel seat or a mule that can be equipe with a swivel seat all the beatter and you can use the money you would spend on a wider rear mount snowcaster with all the bells and whistles.
If you do not have rear chains and loaded tires all bets are off with dense wet snows.
May users that have them deal with heavy wet snows and have higher ground clearance higher horse power machines.
Its all going to depend on the depth and density of the snow pack when and when it finally quits.
Many of the members have small mules and simply have wider snow casters to permit a bigger bite on the first pass and then take half cuts if thew snow pack is deep.
The thing is that you have to understand that the slower you travel the smaller the snow is broken up and the further it will be thrown.
If you buy a rear mount with an extended chute it gets the snow up and away from your field of view and eliminates any blowback as the snow cast away from you is also above you.
You also have to understand that the open auger system used with most of these snow casters is a very poor design as it cuts and pushes the snow forward and only feeds the snow to the center of the snow caster where it is dumped and depends on the impeller to cast it away.
It all depends on how much money you can afford to spend or are willing to spend on a good/great rear mount that will have two augers with one open and the lower auger solid acting as it should as a conveyor. The more impeller paddles you have the more efficient it is as well taking a smaller bite much more quickly in one rotation of the impeller at 540 RPM.
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I would also suggest that you look at the Pronovost X-PRO PXPL86 in the 50 HP size as it can be used in this manner pulling the snow forward to remove it by using the scraper blade to pull the snow forward an then the cross auger carries it to the impeller.
The PXPL offers the user the ability to use the snow caster in both directions with ease and there are many videos of them working on You tube and at least one on the Pronovost web site with a New Holland bi-directional tractor.
Your going to have to decide how much money you can spend as the rear mount is going to to provide you with the best ability to remove snow pack.
You should also consider this in your research, a rear mount with a front mount system using the rear PTO is going to cost more to own and operate as well and it will place more stress on the front axle and frame of the tractor.
A wider rear mount also eliminates snow any snow banks and to also remove snow banks in one pass if they are left by a plow truck so keep that in mind.
A low gear ratio transmission mule will provide more power to the PTO in reverse than a hydro unit due to the need to pump oil for the main pump.
the other thing is that you will have an implement that will out last any of the mules you use and it can be mounted on the next frame size mule if you trade up in power.
The more power you have at the rear PTO the larger impeller fan you can spin PROVIDED you do not operate to fast as the snow caster will plug and then you have to unplug it by hand after you shut the tractor off.
Do not make purchase just because you think it will work for you. You have to decide how best to handle your snows.
Unless you have a mule with high ground clearance I would not invest in an inverted snow caster unless you have a mule with 50-80 horse power.
That snow will have to go somewhere and if you have a mule with an all weather cab you can buy a rear mount with an extended chute for less money and more useable width that will alllow you to take half cuts once you open the first pass.
1. unit cost per foot
a. tonnage per hour removed as tested by the manufacturer
b. singel or twin auger system
c. number of impeller paddles (at least four)
2. available power from the mule you use
3. how much time do you really have to move the white stuff?
4. convenience is a non issue as 1, 2 and 3 are what is going to drive this issue for you
5. do not expect to drive at high speeds with a rear mounted pull snow caster or a standard rear mount
unless it is a PXPL unit or its equivalent IN low snow depths
Unless you are out there several times during the "snow event" a pull type will become overwhelmed with snow pack.
A rear mount will remove it all in one pass. with one or two more passes to finish clearing.
A wider rear mount operated on a smaller mule will remove it in one pass and you can take half cuts for the rest.
A PXPL can be used driving forward using the scraper blade to gather the snow and then cast it away AND it can be used to remove the snow pack operating in reverse as well.
I want you to succeed not fail.
If you have a hydrostatic transmission on your mule you can simply turn sideways and operate a rear mount snow blower.
If you have a mule with a swivel seat or a mule that can be equipe with a swivel seat all the beatter and you can use the money you would spend on a wider rear mount snowcaster with all the bells and whistles.
If you do not have rear chains and loaded tires all bets are off with dense wet snows.
May users that have them deal with heavy wet snows and have higher ground clearance higher horse power machines.
Its all going to depend on the depth and density of the snow pack when and when it finally quits.
Many of the members have small mules and simply have wider snow casters to permit a bigger bite on the first pass and then take half cuts if thew snow pack is deep.
The thing is that you have to understand that the slower you travel the smaller the snow is broken up and the further it will be thrown.
If you buy a rear mount with an extended chute it gets the snow up and away from your field of view and eliminates any blowback as the snow cast away from you is also above you.
You also have to understand that the open auger system used with most of these snow casters is a very poor design as it cuts and pushes the snow forward and only feeds the snow to the center of the snow caster where it is dumped and depends on the impeller to cast it away.
It all depends on how much money you can afford to spend or are willing to spend on a good/great rear mount that will have two augers with one open and the lower auger solid acting as it should as a conveyor. The more impeller paddles you have the more efficient it is as well taking a smaller bite much more quickly in one rotation of the impeller at 540 RPM.
==============================================================================
I would also suggest that you look at the Pronovost X-PRO PXPL86 in the 50 HP size as it can be used in this manner pulling the snow forward to remove it by using the scraper blade to pull the snow forward an then the cross auger carries it to the impeller.
The PXPL offers the user the ability to use the snow caster in both directions with ease and there are many videos of them working on You tube and at least one on the Pronovost web site with a New Holland bi-directional tractor.
Your going to have to decide how much money you can spend as the rear mount is going to to provide you with the best ability to remove snow pack.
You should also consider this in your research, a rear mount with a front mount system using the rear PTO is going to cost more to own and operate as well and it will place more stress on the front axle and frame of the tractor.
A wider rear mount also eliminates snow any snow banks and to also remove snow banks in one pass if they are left by a plow truck so keep that in mind.
A low gear ratio transmission mule will provide more power to the PTO in reverse than a hydro unit due to the need to pump oil for the main pump.
the other thing is that you will have an implement that will out last any of the mules you use and it can be mounted on the next frame size mule if you trade up in power.
The more power you have at the rear PTO the larger impeller fan you can spin PROVIDED you do not operate to fast as the snow caster will plug and then you have to unplug it by hand after you shut the tractor off.
Do not make purchase just because you think it will work for you. You have to decide how best to handle your snows.
Unless you have a mule with high ground clearance I would not invest in an inverted snow caster unless you have a mule with 50-80 horse power.
That snow will have to go somewhere and if you have a mule with an all weather cab you can buy a rear mount with an extended chute for less money and more useable width that will alllow you to take half cuts once you open the first pass.
1. unit cost per foot
a. tonnage per hour removed as tested by the manufacturer
b. singel or twin auger system
c. number of impeller paddles (at least four)
2. available power from the mule you use
3. how much time do you really have to move the white stuff?
4. convenience is a non issue as 1, 2 and 3 are what is going to drive this issue for you
5. do not expect to drive at high speeds with a rear mounted pull snow caster or a standard rear mount
unless it is a PXPL unit or its equivalent IN low snow depths
Unless you are out there several times during the "snow event" a pull type will become overwhelmed with snow pack.
A rear mount will remove it all in one pass. with one or two more passes to finish clearing.
A wider rear mount operated on a smaller mule will remove it in one pass and you can take half cuts for the rest.
A PXPL can be used driving forward using the scraper blade to gather the snow and then cast it away AND it can be used to remove the snow pack operating in reverse as well.
I want you to succeed not fail.
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leonz
Super Member
What I forgot to include in my long post yesterday was that you be stuck with the problem of lower ground clearance as well with a front mount with a propeller shaft to a Mid PTO or a rear PTO with a reverse chain drive or the three gear drive to create the proper rotation for the snow caster.
Got2BTru
Silver Member
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU! Our driveway is 1300ft and I was NOT looking forward to looking backwards for the whole thing! ;o)
aczlan
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We have a front mount Loftness that will be going on our L3830, it will have about 11" of clearance under the front axle and about the same in the rear. It has two 90 degree gearboxes to change the shaft direction and it should hold up forever with our L3830 vs the 65 or 75HP NH it was on before.
It is nothing like the small snowblower that would go on the front of a BX series tractor.
Aaron Z
leonz
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Don't thank us until you see the price tag!!
Several of our members do vey long driveways with
small 4 wheel drive mules with front mounts too.
