Reminder - Cost of Ownership of Gas vs Diesel

[Capricious]

".. I think the interesting supposition that the researchers have is that diesel transportation will increase in the US and lead to a decrease on initial cost of the diesel option...."



....which will lead to the cost of #2 diesel fuel becoming increasingly high compared to the cost of gasoline, simply due to supply-demand issues.

40 years ago, diesel was half the cost of gasoline, now it is the same price or higher, so the change is already happening. If one only keeps their vehicle for 5 years or so, it may not matter. 10 years? I think it will matter quite a bit.

 

[Capricious]

"...I "topped off" with gasoline this morning in Missouri @ $2.619

Same place was selling #2 diesel @ $3.429..."



"Topped-off' again this morning, same place.

$2.569 for gasoline, still $3.429 for #2"




Topped-off yet again this morning (driving a different vehicle)

Same station

Gas @ $2.569

Diesel up to $3.479

$0.91 difference- getting close to the most I have ever seen, which was an even dollar.

Put another way, the diesel was 35% more expensive than the gas.

 

[wawajake]

"...I "topped off" with gasoline this morning in Missouri @ $2.619

Put another way, the diesel was 35% more expensive than the gas.

In your town or state.............but in many many other parts of the world it is the same price or less. Each person gets to decide these things based on their own situation and ideally without being blinded by bias.

 

[zing]

Has anyone else come to the conclusion that diesel engines work well for some people, and gasoline engines work well for other people?

We are not having any of that around here. Your mind tricks will not work on me, young Jedi!

 

[MikePA]

Each person gets to decide these things based on their own situation and ideally without being blinded by bias.

If I am deciding these things based on my own situation, I'd also be the one determining bias.

If I am 'blinded by bias' I wouldn't analyze or evaluate anything, I'd just buy what I want, regardless of the economics.

 

[bdog]

Keep this in mind, this is the future of diesel engines, like it or hate it. It the same for everybody, tractors, light trucks, big rigs, heavy equipment. We can whine about it or adapt. This is just like the late 70's and early 80's with gas vehicles, people whined and ***** about the emissions stuff but I don't read anybody complaining about it now on gas vehicles.

I hear you but the emissions crap on the gas engines has been well developed and works well now. They have had 30-40 years to work the kinks out. I was young but I remember lots of problems with them when they first came out.

I drive a diesel truck (2012 dodge) but I tend to think this diesel emission stuff is still in its infancy and they are going to find better ways of doing it. This DPF, DEF stuff is a hassle and there has to be something better.

I bought a new F-250 for a work truck for my business a couple of weeks and I chose a gas one. It will tow on a regular basis but nothing huge.

When I replace my Dodge I am not sure if I will go diesel or gas. I tow a lot and have always been a diesel guy but these modern gas pickups have a lot of power and less to go wrong it seems.

We are hard on our trucks and they are plain wore out before they reach 100k miles. Not the motors but the trucks themselves. I recently traded in three 2008 F-250 ext cab 4x4's with 70-80k miles on each and got 15k (total - 5k each)for all three. I didn't think they were worth that much. It is hard for us to recoup the investment of a diesel when the trucks are done before 100k miles.

 

[RollingsFarms]

I hear you but the emissions crap on the gas engines has been well developed and works well now. They have had 30-40 years to work the kinks out. I was young but I remember lots of problems with them when they first came out. I drive a diesel truck (2012 dodge) but I tend to think this diesel emission stuff is still in its infancy and they are going to find better ways of doing it. This DPF, DEF stuff is a hassle and there has to be something better. I bought a new F-250 for a work truck for my business a couple of weeks and I chose a gas one. It will tow on a regular basis but nothing huge. When I replace my Dodge I am not sure if I will go diesel or gas. I tow a lot and have always been a diesel guy but these modern gas pickups have a lot of power and less to go wrong it seems. We are hard on our trucks and they are plain wore out before they reach 100k miles. Not the motors but the trucks themselves. I recently traded in three 2008 F-250 ext cab 4x4's with 70-80k miles on each and got 15k (total - 5k each)for all three. I didn't think they were worth that much. It is hard for us to recoup the investment of a diesel when the trucks are done before 100k miles.

Oil field work?

 

[buickanddeere]

Thank you Dodge Man for trying to bring this back to the study posted in pdf format. Within that paper on page 6 & 7 it lists the methods used for gathering data. From my view this is a relatively short term study but even given that I think the findings are contrary to what most on this board believe on cost of ownership for their trucks. When comparing apples to apples(3/4 ton to 3/4 ton) and not apples to oranges( 3/4 ton to 1/2 ton) I think the findings are rock solid and suggest that in most cases diesels come out ahead. It is clear that the initial diesel surcharge upfront is partially or fully recouped on resale, except for the Ford PSD 6.0. I think the interesting supposition that the researchers have is that diesel transportation will increase in the US and lead to a decrease on initial cost of the diesel option.

Depends if located in the rust belt or the arid southwest US . Not going to even break even on a 10yr old truck with rust holes through the body.

 

[vanguard]

I don't have the experience some of you may but I'm a certified blackbelt in being a keyboard warrior.

The reason I don't buy a diesel is that I don't need anything that strong. I can see pulling my 6k tractor 6 miles maybe once a year to the service center. I can do that with a gasser. Diesels are unbeatable if you use them like they are designed.

 

[Monster5601]

"...I "topped off" with gasoline this morning in Missouri @ $2.619

Same place was selling #2 diesel @ $3.429..."

The price swings (which are regionally different) make it very difficult to forecast cost savings or cost additions when moving to diesel. Like you, in my area diesel is sitting at $3.78 (was $3.69 last week), just under a dollar more than regular gas (depending on where you buy gas). Back in July, diesel was the same price, but regular gas was ten cent higher in mid-state Michigan. Gas prices in my area (south east Michigan) vary from $3.59 to $2.69 as of this morning.