Remote Hydraulics

[SPIKER]

Mad said it not me

what he said is right abo9ut the power beyond, simply put if you put in a a valve without power beyond on you're tractor which has open center system, and you plumb the valve in so that it is the last item in the system you will be OK, BUT in most cases the last item in the system is the 3 pt lift. this will pose a problem if you plum in a non power beyond valve due to the fact that the Neutral (or open to tank connection on a non power beyond valve) will be pressurized when the last valve is put into a pressure situation. say lifting a heavy 3 pt item. this can often cause problems on the valve and or operation of the cylinders in that valves movement area.

as stated power beyond is a 3rd port for "pressurize-able fluid" to travel through. The return to tank lines are in a different hose and lets the valve operate normally when the down stream valve/3pt is used.

hope that made you as confused as I am now

Mark M

 

[shaley]

So will the 3rd function remote I just ordered work for my FEL if it does not have power beyond on the base? Do they make a DO3 base w/PB?

 

[MadReferee]

It will work just fine. The limitiation is that the 3pt may or may not work properly, or at all, when the 3rd function valve and the 3pt are activated simultaneously. There probably is a DO3 plate with PB but I am not familiar with it, however it's not necessary for a tractor application. Relax and enjoy the new addition to your tractor.

 

[72chevy4x4]

wow-there sure is a lot to know about hydraulics

Does 'spool' mean just one hydraulic valve? So, double spool is to levers-each with their own body and each can go forward or reverse?

I'm looking into adding remote hydraulics to the front of the FEL. Is there anyway to add on to the existing B7800 valve to accomplish the need? Does anyone have a source for bent tubing or is it feasible to bend your own tubing (then take it into a shop to have the fittings installed)?

When adding a remote to the front of the tractor, is it best to tap into the rear remote on the B7800 and run the lines forward?

 

[BTDT]

Where are you located? Nothing in your profile. Places that can make up hydraulic hoses can probably make and bend hard lines for you or tell you where you can get it done.

 

[72chevy4x4]

Where are you located?

I am in Delaware-there is a local shop that makes hoses but I never thought to ask if they bend tubing. The one time I used them to make a hydraulic hose, it seems they were very expensive though.

 

[MadReferee]

Does 'spool' mean just one hydraulic valve? So, double spool is to levers-each with their own body and each can go forward or reverse?

A valve can have one or more spools (functions). A standard double acting spool has 3 positions, center neutral, A and B. Your loader valve is a 2 spool valve.

I'm looking into adding remote hydraulics to the front of the FEL. Is there anyway to add on to the existing B7800 valve to accomplish the need? Does anyone have a source for bent tubing or is it feasible to bend your own tubing (then take it into a shop to have the fittings installed)?

There is no way to add on to the existing loader valve short of purchasing a new 3 spool valve and fabbing a joystick linkage. Most people install either a diverter off the bucket curl spool or a third function valve. There are plenty of posts on the hows and whys of these methods. Just search for WR Long or take a look at the dozens of posts on grpple installs.

When adding a remote to the front of the tractor, is it best to tap into the rear remote on the B7800 and run the lines forward?

It can be done that way or with an electric diverter or third function solenoid valve. Having a button on the joystick is more convenient than using lever mounted on the fender. Routing the hoses can get a bit messy but people have done it. Search TBN for the various grapple installs to get an idea of how other people have done it.

 

[SPYDERLK]

accordionman, make sure you get the type of open center valve termed "tandem center". These close off the work ports in neutral and will therefore hold position. The generic open center does not close off the work ports in neutral - all ports are instead dumped to the return line in neutral. These are good for controlling motors.
Larry

 

[3RRL]

I just went through this whole thing and MadReferee helped through it the whole way. I had the exact same questions that you guys do. Here are a couple threads where Mad tells m about the hydraulics.
These first 2 threads are the beginning and end of adding a bucket grapple and all the valving and hoses etc.

First Thread Hydraulic Questions

Second Thread Adding Grapples

This last thread shows how I added hydraulic side tilt cylinders and 3 rear remotes and another valve too.

Adding Hydraulic Side Links and Rear Remotes

If you have time, read through them because there is a ton of information that helped me get through it correctly. I was freaked out at first not having any idea what I was doing, but with the help I received here and from others, it all came out great.
Hope that helps some.