Resisting the impulse...your thought, please

   / Resisting the impulse...your thought, please #11  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( JD salesman (surprise, surprise) tells me that parts are hard to come by for the Kioti. )</font>

I order something for my Kioti I get it. No problem..

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( And why so few endorsements for the JD's? Too much $ for the name? )</font>

Prices on all the differant makes seem to vary alot from area to area. (JD included). Some areas JD is a lot more exspensive and in other areas they are not. You just have to get some prices from your local dealers..
 
   / Resisting the impulse...your thought, please
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john, thanks for the thorough response. I am going to find some kiotis to drive. Will let you know what I think. I have been told that parts are hard to come by for these tractors. Any thought on this?

Chanimal
 
   / Resisting the impulse...your thought, please #13  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( john, thanks for the thorough response. I am going to find some kiotis to drive. Will let you know what I think. I have been told that parts are hard to come by for these tractors. Any thought on this? )</font> Yes, I have some thoughts on it, but they won't let me say them on here without deleting my post. It's all BS. Parts are not hard to come by.
Daedong Industrial has been making water cooled diesels since 1949. They make diesels for large ships. They've made tractors since 1965, and have been in the States since 1985. They are not small potatoes, and parts are easily obtained, and usually very inexpensive compared to other brands.
Example from a poster who bought a new fan blade he messed up, $11.00
Example from being at my dealers when he replaced a PTO shaft, $35.00.
Try that with one of the "Big" Three! John
 
   / Resisting the impulse...your thought, please #14  
You might want to check out the New Hollands, TC30 is the workhorse. It will do all your asking plus more. TC29, TC33 are both more stylize but will do the job. The TC35 if a step up and probably out of the price range.
 
   / Resisting the impulse...your thought, please #15  
In response to your qquestion about John Deere. The upfront price scares alot of people away. after the new feeling of a new tractor is over you can really appreciate the finish on JD lots of little things that make operating more comfortable and efficient.Just remember , they are usually the standard that others are judged by or compared to. Just my thoughts.
 
   / Resisting the impulse...your thought, please #16  
Just yesterday I had the opportunity to play with a JD 4310 and man is that one nice tractor. I only wish that I had the opportunity to actually work the tractor in some mud or out in a field, unfortunately that was not possible yesterday but I am looking forward to it in the future. I'm a long time fan of the ergonomics and design on the New Holland tractors and up until yesterday I would have argued that they are the best thought out tractors on the market. And many of them, I believe are very well thought out (the TC35 & 40 are supurb). But the 4310 is simply supurb for its size (it is smaller than the NHTC 35 or TC40). When I sat in the seat there were things that struck me as being odd, but as I worked the controls, my hands simple fell on the controls as if they were extentions of my arms. Silly little things like the "cruise control" button that was placed on the right fender instead of the dash all of a sudden became genius concept as it essentially fell under my thumb when I was adjusting the levers I could simply engage the button without having to reach for the dash. I also was impressed with about 100 other little touches that made sence and worked as they were designed, I liked the cubby holes to hold gloves, sunglasses, cups, I liked the way the controls felt, etc. It was simply a great design and it was obvious that they really took time to study comfort and useability.

One thing about tractors (of all makes and models) is that there is something for everyone out there. Low priced low featured, modest price well featured, high priced and fully featured. I believe some are better values than others. I also believe that sometimes you get what you pay for, and I admit to not knowing what the JD4310 costs, but whatever it was, I think it was worth it.

I don't like machines that make me sore when I get off of them, or worse yet make my muscles ache for a day or two later. I'm willing to pay for the little things. I understand that not everyone can, or will, and I respect their choices. But if you plan on spending much time in the seat of your tractor, make sure it fits you very well, make sure the controls seem natural. If you are uncomfortable, you won't be safe because you will constantly be distracted by something.


As for the parts being hard to come by on the Kioti brand . . . I would suggest that is bull. My Kubota dealer told me that the Kiotis are inferior in every way. I've seen a few, played on a couple. I own a Kubota and a New Holland. I have to tell you that Kioti is probably as well built and parts are probably as available as any other brand. One thing NO manufacturer has been able to match is the smooth running Kubota engine, but as for parts and quality, Kioti is probably as good as most brands. Each is different in some ways. In some areas Kioti is a bargain, in other areas it is not, but pricing is very regional for all brands from what I can see here. But whatever you pay, make sure you find a machine you really like and that fits you, that is more important than price over the 20+ year life span of a tractor.
 
   / Resisting the impulse...your thought, please #17  
Great thoughts, as usual.

KiotiJohn: The LK3054XS was being pitched at me for the low $30,000's range. I did not get down to hard figures and this is in Canadian play money remember. The L3400 Kubota with gears, R4s, FEL, and block heater was purchased for $20,700 Cdn (taxes extra). The CK30, R4s, shuttle shift, FEL was quoted at $22,500. Often, one can chip away at the quote when final pricing is agreed upon. The Kioti guy here is great -- as are his tractors -- they are just priced way too high, I feel.

What would I change on the L3400? My big, clumsy feet tend to hit the PTO lever if I'm jumping off in a hurry -- this turns the tractor off (Operator presence system). I might have placed this up near the fenders as on other tractors. I am sure there will be other issues, but so far, I can't praise this extremely smooth running and shifting tractor for the dollars spent. A real tough, strong, no frills workhorse.

Shawn
 
   / Resisting the impulse...your thought, please #18  
Since you stated you are a value buyer and not color driven, take a look at Mahindra. I got my 3510 (35 hp eng) for 500 more dollars than a gear L2800 Kubota, 700 more than a NH TC30 (30 hp), and 900 more than a Deere 790 (27hp).

Ill put it up against any tractor in its class, by price or HP.
 

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