Respect?!?

[JOR_EL]

So the "good guy" lawyer that "defended" the totally innocent landowner from the 'bad guy" lawyer only made $10,000 for his part in the "sting".

Newsflash(NOT!) -- they're all in this together! Next time some "innocent" gets screwed, they'll trade roles. AS IF there should even be a question here, requiring the "services" of any attorney or judge(attorney!) The whole system is a contrived scam ...objective? - MONEY in the pockets of the "legal"(aint that a *****?) profession! SCUM!!

Why insult them? Because they ever-so-much DESERVE insulting! And there is darn little else anyone CAN do to give them the credit they have "earned" by "serving" us so well.

Next time I'll tell you how I really feel about these parasites!

(censorship shield up)

Larry

 

[bcarter]

>> At this point we've put up a large, and prominent "No Trespassing" sign at the last split in the shared road.

What you need is a sign that says "Next to the last one" with an arrow pointing to your neighbor's...

...and another sign further up your road that says "Get lost - someplace else" /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif


I caught a bunch of mountain bikers riding through our yard to get to the trail that runs behind the house. When I confronted them, the said "but we've done it before"...like that makes it OK to do again! You gotta wonder what these people were thinking...


Bill

 

[cowboydoc]

Don't feel bad Bill. On this ground that I just bought I was over there last night and heard all this shooting down in the ravene. I inched my way over there to see what was going on and saw these guys blasting at turkeys. I yelled out to them so they wouldn't shoot me and went down to talk to them. I told them they were on private property and there was no hunting. I asked if they had seen the signs and they said yes but I couldn't do anything about them hunting here because they were grandfathered in for hunting because they had been hunting here since before I bought the ground. I said what!!! I said the same guy that owned this doesn't own it anymore. They said they knew that. I told them I was sorry but there would be no more hunting as I would be running livestock here and I didn't want people hunting here anymore. They got mad and said there was nothing I could do and if they killed something they'd pay for it. They'd been hunting there for five years and weren't about to leave. I said ok that's fine we'll let the sheriff handle it. I had my cell phone and called the sheriff and I explained what was going on. They said they'd send someone right over. Awhile later he came over and I told him what was going on and the guys said that they were grandfathered in for hunting. The sheriff laughed at them and said who told you you were grandfathered. They said they'd just heard that. He told them there was no such law and that they were trespassing and subject to being arrested if I wanted to press charges. He asked me if I wanted to and boy did those two's attitude change. Evidently the one was already on probation and he wasn't even supposed to be hunting. I told them both that if I had their word there would be no further trouble then I wouldn't press any charges. They both agreed and then were apologetic and said it wouldn't happen again. Just goes to show you the mentality of some people.

 

[Jag]

CBD, when I tell other people a story like this they do not beleive it... that people can be this way. It has happen to me several times. "We have been hunting here for 10 years and we are not about to leave." Funny, but the land has been in the family for over 80 years. One question, ""Evidently the one was already on probation and he wasn't even supposed to be hunting."" If this was the case, why did the sheriff not check it out and carry that one in. Most of the sheriff deputies I know he would have a gone'r.....

 

[cowboydoc]

Well I was trying to make a long story short Jag. That did happen. That's how we found out he was already on probabtion. After I had said I wouldn't press charges the sheriff said he needed to make an incident report. The sheriff asked for id and of course both said they didn't have any, said it was in the pickup. He said fine let's go back to your vehicle and get. Well then they had it. He ran their names and that's when the one guy came back as being on probabtion and wasn't even supposed to have a firearm and he didn't even have a hunting license. The other guy had a license and was ok.

 

[Jag]

CBD, Thanks "for the rest of the story". Very glad that all ended well.... again thanks for the story. I get to deal with this kind of stuff about once every two weeks, last time way yesterday. I will post it later, for there is room for thought.

 

[JOR_EL]

CowboyDoc,

Did I miss something? After the deputy found out that the one guy was a probation violator(illegal firearm posession) what did he DO about it? That violation shouldn't have had anything to do with YOUR "pressing charges". /w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif ??

Larry

 

[dmccarty]

skent,

Sigh..... I there with ya. I have the same problems and I think its just something you have to deal with if you have more than 5 acres of land. If you search through this forum you will see earlier discussions about all of this....

I ended up putting a large gate controlling access where I own both sides of the road. I really want the gate 400 feet or so down the road but I dont' own all the property. I have been able to limit the number of people trespassing but I still have some. Its a damned if you do damned if you don't problem that I hope will ease once we move out to the property. Its a damn shame that people don't respect your wishes or property but that is the way it is....

Posting the property and at least putting up a cable across the road will stop some people but you will certainly continue to have the problem......

Good Luck to us all! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Dan McCarty

 

[dmccarty]

Cowboydoc,

I sure hope you did not go down there unarmed!

I have always had this in the back of my mind so I don't conciously think about it but I view ALL the trespassers as a possible threat. I just posted a story of a landowner killed by a pot grower on his own property in another thread somewhere on TBN. This is not to say all trespassers are killers but you DON"T know who these people are, what they are doing on your property, why they are there, and if they are wanted by the law. Given that the guy was on probation and HE KNEW he was in trouble if he got caught you really don't know what that person will do. People have been killed over alot less.

My wife's uncle was killed during a "hunting" accident a couple of decades ago. He was killed when he came back to his parked vehicle and he was shot. The family thinks the person that shot him was caught breaking into his car but it could not be proven.....

People, be very careful about approaching trespassers, especially those that are armed. If you are doing so YOU had better be ready to defend yourself. If you don't have the knowledge, training, skill, to even get close to be somewhat safe in making such an approach, call the law. That is what the POice/Sheriff are there for. Let them handle the $%^&*(. I know its tough and the law may not get there in time but the results could be real bad. I worry about catching trespasser on my property. The ones I can see don't worry me. Its the one that went into the woods to piss, and I did not see, that worries me......

Be careful out there.....
Dan McCarty

 

[Ingo]

Steve,

When we were looking for property I would often venture down private roads and sometimes past No Trepassing signs, usually feeling a little guilty about it. The one sign that did make me stop and turn around was "Private Road - Please Respect our Privacy." If someone doesn't respond to a polite request, they probably won't respond to threats (at least positively) .

John

 

[skent]

I wouldn't mind that at all! If someone enters the property with the intention of introducing themselves, asking directions, or coming to out house and announcing themselves. . . .FINE and DANDY. I break out the Red Dog beer, Woodchuck Cider, or lemonade and share a cool one (or a snort of brandy if its cold out)

What bothers me is people who know they don't belong, have no intention of asking to pass, and then turn around on your grass/crop (sometimes getting stuck), basically being nosey.

Interesting side note - the property that was put up for sale last week that started this thread sold in four days for the asking price. . . . .2.6 acres (cannot be divided), all wooded, (about half is on a 25 degree slope-get out your tiltmeters - oops - wrong thread), 800 feet off the main road, asking 59,900. I didn't think it would sell that quick. Oh well - look forward to meeting whoever. . . . .

Steve

 

[JayT]

John, you seem to be on the money with your logic. My personal favorite sign was on a Sunday afternoon ride with "The Boss" that still makes us laugh. It read: "Gee Honey, this must be somone's driveway!"....... We turned around.

 

[Ingo]

Well I don't know how good the logic is, but I do know it made me turn around (like you).

John

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Try a sign worded something like this.

CAUTION - SEVERE TIRE DAMAGE - YOUR TIRES, MY RIFLE

Good luck!

As a citizen, you are entitled to make a citizen's arrest of ANYONE you personally witness breaking the law. Sometimes the duly constituted authorities don't want interlopers on their turf B U T it is the law. I have a similar problem and have been told that arresting someone for trespassing is a waste of time and it will not be prosecuted. Of course if the trespasser should attack you with a deadly weapon then that is a much more serious crime.

I have 10 stocked fishing ponds (talk about attractive nuisance). Again no help from the boys in blue except the one deputy who will threaten to call their parents if it is kids (yes, this still works in rural Oklahoma, at least some of the time) I am considering posting a very high fishing/picnicking fee so that not paying it would be a serious theft. I really don't mind folks fishing when they don't start fires, leave dirty diapers, or scatter bottles and cans E X C E P T for liability issues. If I permit folks to come on the property and they get snake bit or whatever, then I get sued. Not everyone is like that but it only takes one.

Again, good luck,

Patrick

I have a 1/2 mile of hwy frontage and get a lot of litering. Again, virtually no recourse or assistance from the duly constituted authorities. Hence a video camera with a telephoto lense and a sympathetic neighbor who is a deputy sheriff. He runs the tag and calls the owner with the implied threat that NEXT TIME there will be a $1000 fine. There are so many liter bugs that I haven't noticed any change.

 

[StoneHeartFarm]

CBD,

That is an amazing story. "GRANDFATHERED?" Did they think this was a zoning issue? Don't know where you're at. Here, we have better luck with the DNR on such cases than the local sheriff. Conservation Officers usually are much tougher. We purchased 15 acres for our "farm" two years ago. We looked first at a 60 acre farm at the end of a dead end road. Almost bought it. Kept thinking I could split off 30 acres and pay for the property. The farm house was in awful condition but there was this beautiful barn I still drool over. The property was really cheap and the old guy that had it had just had a stroke and was in a wheel chair at a nursing home 400 miles away. This was a heaven sent dream.

Then I talked to some of the other people in the area, and the property's caretaker. It seems the folks living in the next to the last house on the road, were the grandsons of the farm's previous owners. They did not LIKE the fact that Granddad had sold the property 40 years ago. They felt it STILL BELONGED TO THEIR FAMILY. They had busted down the fence to get to the main road so they could get to their favorite BAR without going out on the public street. At the back of the property they had torn up a small pond so they could have a mud bog for their trucks, complete with busted up parts strewn about. I checked with the police and these individuals are well known for loud parties, gun shots, fist fights, etc.

Needless to say, I didn't buy there. But that was 2 years ago, and no one else has bought it either. We haven't got totally moved onto the farm yet, and where were at now is 12 miles away in the middle of the National Forest, so its a pretty rural area. Still, we've had Trout fishermen walking through our yard because they were going to the restaurant. (River 1/2 mile away, restaurant 1/2 mile the OTHER way, nice wide road with path along side it). Last summer my wife caught people putting garbage bags out on the corner of our drive. She asked them what they thought they were doing and they told her "You have garbage pick up and we don't want to carry it home to the City". Not only dumb, but REALLY DUMB! you don't talk to the Boss like that. No only did she help them put their trash back in the minivan, but she gave them a good description of where they should REALLY put it. All I could do is shake my head and grin.

Anyway. Thanks for the great story.

SHF

 

[cowboydoc]

Only problem is that around here DNR won't do anything about trespassers. They just tell you to call the sheriff.

 

[StoneHeartFarm]

Trespassing, no. Poaching yes. DNR here can search you on suspicion. I had a new resident ask if the DNR needs a warrant to go into your garage. Seems his had been searched. I investigated, and after consultation with DNR, sheriff and attorney, the opinion is that they can, as long as there is suspicion. For DNR, that can be a neighbor claiming he saw you skinning a deer.

Are you SURE your trespassers aren't picking endangered flowers?

SHF

 

[cowboydoc]

/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif Have to remember that next time when I call them. I know there's going to be trouble on that piece of ground as I've been told it's the best hunting spot in the county.

 

[StoneHeartFarm]

We have a local joke here-- You can shoot your neighbor and do 10 days, but take a turkey out of season and spend the rest of your life paying for it. I feel for ya. I got em here too. /w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif. Don't suppose they're RELATED do you? /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif.

SHF