Retirement Question

   / Retirement Question #31  
I am still pretty new to the retirement gig so my view point may change a bit over time. Several posters have mentioned folks going back to work because they were bored. I don't believe that applies to very many on this forum. We all seem to have a lot of projects and hobbies to keep us active and busy. So for the most part you have to decide if you are going to be able to afford it.
 
   / Retirement Question #32  
I retired from 20 years in a civil service job at age 54, in 1998 after a huge runup in the stock market. We had always lived well below our income and saved the difference. When I saw how much our savings jumped up in the year-end statements 12/96 and 12/97 from Fidelity, it got me thinking that we might have already attained our goals.

I bought Quicken retirement planning software after talking to financial consultants who knew less than I did. (MBA in 1975). The Quicken software ran the same mathematical projections that a consultant would. My problem with the Fidelity 'advisor' was he wanted a percentage to run my portfolio - no thanks - and he would look only at the Fidelity numbers. I asked him for a consult on how I was doing in self-managed IRAs where my employer was the custodian and he wouldn't even look at the documents (showing balances comparable to the Fidelity statements) so I walked. Lesson: Find the right advisor! 'Free consult' is often a sales pitch. Fidelity has been excellent over the years, this was the only exception.

17 years later I can confirm we made the right decisions. First, to live comfortably below our total income. Second, retirement has matched the projections I made back then. It amazes me that our savings balance today is about 90% of what it was when I retired 17 years ago because we have generally been living within our pensions and savings earnings. Last year I started the age 70 'Minimum Required Distribution' from my IRA, and my wife will soon start drawing some $1,500/ month SS when she turns 70 plus her own MRD. These new income streams plus paying off our city house in a couple of years ($1,100 payment) frankly will boost our spendable to more than we have use for. I should buy a boat. :D

My point to anyone looking at retirement from the vantage of youth: Save all you can while maintaining a comfortable life. Get a consultant, or software, that illuminates the tremendous power of compounding over decades. Plan so that you can survive hard times comfortably if jobs etc disappear, if you are lucky that reserve will allow early retirement.

And note 85% of all investors don't exceed the simple strategy of buy and hold an S&P index fund, so consider that for the core of your savings. Ignore market fluctuations (although I think the market is heading down into 'buy' range at the moment).

Like several of you in this thread I started from nothing and my first career was fixing up rentals. The secret there is rentals sell at a multiple of the rental income. Transform a trashed rental in a decent neighborhood into simply average for the neighborhood, and resell it for a lot more than you paid. Three years of that allowed me to be a full time MBA student while continuing to manage the rentals. Projections I ran in my finance courses revealed selling the 9 units and carrying (all or part) of the buyer's mortgages paid me the same as operating them and no more management headaches. As those properties re-sold subsequently and cashed out my equity, those big chunks of cash were the foundation for starting substantial savings. I don't know of another occupation so easy to get into that pays as well. All it takes is patience to deal with the one tenant in 20 who would drive you crazy if you don't face the problems he/she causes. This isn't free income, you earn it.

As for bored in retirement - I can't imagine that. Every day there's more to do than hours in the day. 20 years crunching numbers (construction-cost auditor, pays well, some interesting travel to every corner of the state) was a mostly boring but essential detour out of a lifetime of doing what I wanted.
 
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   / Retirement Question #33  
Getting bored and running out of things to do is 2 completely different things. I get bored with remodel stuff and cant wait to get back to work. I also get bored at work and cant wait to get home. I think you need to balance the 2, even in retirement. You sit around on your *** and you will be bored right to the grave!
 
   / Retirement Question #34  
I retired from 20 years in a civil service job at age 54, in 1998 after a huge runup in the stock market. We had always lived well below our income and saved the difference. When I saw how much our savings jumped up in the year-end statements 12/96 and 12/97 from Fidelity, it got me thinking that we might have already attained our goals.

I bought Quicken retirement planning software after talking to financial consultants who knew less than I did. (MBA in 1975). The Quicken software ran the same mathematical projections that a consultant would. My problem with the Fidelity 'advisor' was he wanted a percentage to run my portfolio - no thanks - and he would look only at the Fidelity numbers. I asked him for a consult on how I was doing in self-managed IRAs where my employer was the custodian and he wouldn't even look at the documents (showing balances comparable to the Fidelity statements) so I walked. Lesson: Find the right advisor! 'Free consult' is often a sales pitch. Fidelity has been excellent over the years, this was the only exception.

17 years later I can confirm we made the right decisions. First, to live comfortably below our total income. Second, retirement has matched the projections I made back then. It amazes me that our savings balance today is about 90% of what it was when I retired 17 years ago because we have generally been living within our pensions and savings earnings. Last year I started the age 70 'Minimum Required Distribution' from my IRA, and my wife will soon start drawing some $1,500/ month SS when she turns 70 plus her own MDR. These new income streams plus paying off our city house in a couple of years ($1,100 payment) frankly will boost our spendable to more than we have use for. I should buy a boat. :D

My point to anyone looking at retirement from the vantage of youth: Save all you can while maintaining a comfortable life. Get a consultant, or software, that illuminates the tremendous power of compounding over decades. Plan so that you can survive hard times comfortably if jobs etc disappear, if you are lucky that reserve will allow early retirement.

And note 85% of all investors don't exceed the simple strategy of buy and hold an S&P index fund, so consider that for the core of your savings. Ignore market fluctuations (although I think the market is heading down into 'buy' range at the moment).

Like several of you in this thread I started from nothing and my first career was fixing up rentals. The secret there is rentals sell at a multiple of the rental income. Transform a trashed rental in a decent neighborhood into simply average for the neighborhood, and resell it for a lot more than you paid. Three years of that allowed me to be a full time MBA student while continuing to manage the rentals. Projections I ran in my finance courses revealed selling the 9 units and carrying (all or part) of the buyer's mortgages paid me the same as operating them and no more management headaches. As those properties re-sold subsequently and cashed out my equity, those big chunks of cash were the foundation for starting substantial savings. I don't know of another occupation so easy to get into that pays as well. All it takes is patience to deal with the one tenant in 20 who would drive you crazy if you don't face the problems he/she causes. This isn't free income, you earn it.

As for bored in retirement - I can't imagine that. Every day there's more to do than hours in the day. 20 years crunching numbers (construction-cost auditor, pays well, some interesting travel to every corner of the state) was a mostly boring but essential detour out of a lifetime of doing what I wanted.

I guess we have rentals in common... when I was a new grad engineer... the prospects were sad... it was a time of the highest unemployment since the great depression... so I bought a shack, moved in and made repairs... it went so well I decided to rent it and moved on to my next project...

If the economy would not have been in the dumps back then I would have missed my opportunity of a lifetime...

I do agree living below ones means is essential and I hate reoccurring costs... they are insidious and before you know the dollars going out are real money as my retired neighbor would say...

Mom lives in a 2400 square foot home with views to die for and still has about 6 acres of land... she lives well on 2400 a month social security and 401k rmd.

So a nice home, drives a car she likes, travels, tithes to the church and still her account balances go up each year...

Some are spenders and some are savers... mom loves gardening and has a bounty each year... keeps her active and one less thing to buy...

Her heirloom Mission San Jose Figs are very popular... so much so she would barter about a $1000 worth each season at the vegetable market...

It does kind of concern me when I have friends and others saying they don't know if they can retire on a 100k a year... especially when many households never see that kind of income working...

When Mom's car was stolen last year I found her a 10 year newer model with 25,000 miles... offered her my extra car... she said no... she wanted to buy her replacement...

The car happened to be at Toyota of San Francisco and they really didn't know what to do when Mom said she liked the car and pulled out her checkbook... she was 81 and said if she couldn't afford to pay cash she had no business shopping...

I've learned a lot being around frugal friends and family... especially getting advice from those that went through the Great Depression.
 
   / Retirement Question #35  
Medical is the big unknown for me. I want to retire for good in 5 more yrs.
 
   / Retirement Question #36  
re medical costs: overwhelming medical expenses were I think the leading cause of personal bankruptcy up until the Affordable Care Act. One effect of the new law is to alleviate this, there are hard limits on the patient's out of pocket costs. Better for the patient two ways - you can continue care after that limit is reached, and, the hospital will get paid from in effect an insurance pool, so they don't need to load their unrecoverable costs onto the next patient who walks in the door - like they have in the past.

This new model allows better planning for the future when you know you don't need to gamble you will have a quarter million $ set aside for heart surgery or something. You still need to plan for Long Term Care but that cost is easier to anticipate than rare/expensive stuff.

I suggest research and get up to speed on the present rules, you might find that retirement medical care isn't the big gamble that it was until recently.
 
   / Retirement Question #37  
I've been retired now for 8 years after 40 with GM. They were going under so I decided its time to pull out. Took the pension for a year, then chose the buyout offer of a lump sum. They decided I would only live to 79-1/2 and so my lump sum was based on that. BFD.

Meanwhile I saved all the money I could during work years, paid off the ranch cars and farm equipment. Near the end, I put new furnaces and A/C in, new roofs on the house and barns and settled in. No desire to work anymore (engineering), but the jobs found me (I refused to accept). Now I shop at estate sales, clothes from Salvation Army (new with tags), sell on ebay (buy, too.), cruise Craigslist looking for deals, play hockey 3 times a week in a Senior league.

Here's the way it went:
Before I retired, I engaged a Financila company to manage a Trust for me. Property, will, savings, stocks, bonds, guns, gold coins and other things were balanced to give me comfort, security, wellbeing and health. They took the lump sum and invested it with other IRA savings to let me withdraw a very comfortable percentage per month to live on. I took the social security asap at their recommendation because you never know whether that will live very long, AND, because you have to live a long time in order to acquire the same amount of money if you delay it, even though delaying it gets you more money per month.

I'm on Medicare and have a Humana Supplementary and drug policy. I've had NO (as in ZERO) out of pocket expenses for heath care needs other than the low monthly premium, despite a $123,000 prostate cancer surgery bill. AND the physical exam that revealed my cancer diagnosis was strongly suggested by Humana.

Live has been good. Have a nice chunk of PayPal money from sales of cool factor stuff on ebay. Stuff I don't 'marry' when I find it at garage or estate sales. I still have fum on a few forums, TBN for sure, also including one all about college student race car design and build competions (FSAE) and one all about vintage water pumping windmills (I now have 9 of them on the property just doing their thing).

The fractions quoted here seem to be dead on in terms of how much money you need, what the total amount in the pile should be, and what your expenses for taxes, insurance, lights and heat, vehicles, food, and pleasures.

I'd recommend working as long as you can as long as your income is highest at the end because your Social Security will be based on it. Plus, as your debts roll off (mortgage paid, children gone, toys acquired, clothes less important, no more $50 haircuts), you can stuff your IRA with a lot of money that you will want to invest for higher returns than you withdraw when the time comes.

Right now I burn 4% and are still making money on the account. That;'s all because I highed professionals to do the money growth instead of using the mattress method, the panic method, or the random walk.

Good luck !
 
   / Retirement Question #38  
If your wife had a career and raising your kids did not prevent you from being debt free and fully funding IRA's, early retirement can be lovely.

I took the tax deductions on a Traditional IRA when I was earning in a high bracket. As I withdraw I am paying taxes in a lower bracket, sometimes at 15%, sometimes higher. I will not draw Social Security until age 70; now 68-1/2. Social Security is the "bond" part of my retirement plan, everything in my IRA's is in internationally diversified stocks.

Some people are in denial but it should be an obvious part of retirement planning: Quit tobacco, reduce beverage alcohol, achieve a normal weight, reduce fat consumption, reduce sugar consumption, reduce salt consumption, exercise. See the medicos less and your co-pays will be less.

I practice Yoga twice per week in a $15 per session class, but very few men in the U.S.A. do. No aches, no pains. Good balance. Very, very flexible.
 
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   / Retirement Question #39  
re medical costs: overwhelming medical expenses were I think the leading cause of personal bankruptcy up until the Affordable Care Act. One effect of the new law is to alleviate this, there are hard limits on the patient's out of pocket costs. Better for the patient two ways - you can continue care after that limit is reached, and, the hospital will get paid from in effect an insurance pool, so they don't need to load their unrecoverable costs onto the next patient who walks in the door - like they have in the past.

This new model allows better planning for the future when you know you don't need to gamble you will have a quarter million $ set aside for heart surgery or something. You still need to plan for Long Term Care but that cost is easier to anticipate than rare/expensive stuff.

I suggest research and get up to speed on the present rules, you might find that retirement medical care isn't the big gamble that it was until recently.

I saw my youngest brother go bankrupt over his kids medical bills. This was back in the 80's. He had a infant spend 3 weeks in the hospital at the same time he lost his job. It affected his life to this day. It can be rough for folks out there, thru no fault of their own. Btw, the company closed up, that's how he lost his job.
 
   / Retirement Question #40  
My Dad retired at about 55 years. He was disgusted with his job even though he was making good money as a sales manager for a major wheel and rim company.

The problem was he had no savings to speak of after raising eight of us kids and my mother being a stay at home housewife.

He had good health and a great personality and a good mind. But I could see they didn't have the money to make a good retirement.

It was sad to see the gradual demise from not having enough money except for the most basic needs.

Talk about the death of a salesman.

Be sure you can afford to.live the life that you need to be happy (whatever that is for you).
 

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