Rhino vs Line-x vs others

[therrien]

I am not sure, but I believe it is metal cans on bed liners and auto carpeting that cause these explosions. The spark happens from the filler nozzle to the metal can. Plastic causes the static electricity but it should not conduct the spark from the nozzle. Fill it on the ground and put it in the bed should be OK. But I'm no expert.

 

[Bird]

Yep, Doug, everything I've read and seen on the TV about the problem indicated that it's mostly metal cans that have caused the fires, although there have been incidents of plastic cans doing it, too. And everything I've seen indicated it was from filling the can while it was in the pickup bed, car trunk, etc. In other words, safe if you set the can on the ground and have the nozzle touching the can while filling. And that's the way I always filled both gasoline and diesel cans. I think doing it that way is as safe a way as you can handle fuel, and don't think the bed liner has a lot to do with it, except that there may be a greater possibility of static electricity from sliding a can on the liner vs. sliding it on the metal truck bed. And of course, that's just my opinion formed from what I've read; no expert technical knowledge at all.

 

[RobertN]

It is the static from plastic to plastic contact. Metal to plastic does not build up as much charge. Enigines in our Fire District are switching over to metal safety cans after years of using plastic.

The thing that gets you is the open can, with lots of vapors in and around it. A full closed can has less vapor around it to explode if exposed to a spark.

 

[RobertN]

The Dodge shop my Dad works at gets damaged Turbo Cummins in rather frequently. Someone pulls up to the pump, does not pay attention, and fill with gas instead of diesel. When they try to drive away, there goes a $6000 engine!

On top of that, even if they realize it before they start it up, it's about $600 for hazmat disposal of 35gal of drained gas/diesel mix!!!

 

[TresCrows]

Well Harv, it is like this, born smart or not, static electricity is basic high school science. I have heard since I was a child not to do certain things and I think I can figure that plastic is non conductive and a charge can build up and when the fuel nozzle is moved toward it the charge tends to equalize generating a small spark. Obviously this is a condition that can be caused by things other than plastic bed liners.

I will stay with what I said, because I am sick of the lowest common denominator setting the standard for everyone else and the lawsuits that enforce it and the greedy lawyers that profit from it and our choices that suffer from it /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif. If someone blows themselves up it is their fault not Rhino.

When I taught high school many times I told "johnny" he better listen cuz this was important, he did not and that he blew himself up or is in an unemployement line or flipping burgers is his fault, not mine /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif.

So there you have it, like it or not /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif.

As to Wyoming being windier than Kansas, my bet is on Kansas, as to rubber mats blowing out, lot's of things in the back of pick up trucks blow out, beer cans, dogs, occasionally people, plywood, lumber and yes, on occasion, rubber mats. The highways are littered with the refuse out of the back of pick up trucks, good grief. Just joking with both you and Harv but perhaps you guys ought to get together sometime /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif. J

 

[Inspector507]

Here in my neck of the woods.........a fire happened at a local gas station that was caused by filling a plastic can, with gasoline, while it was still in the trunk of the car. I saw the damage and will never even fill a diesel can unless it's setting on the ground after that.

 

[Alan L.]

Trescrows, I understand the possibility of paint damage under the liner, but I still don't understand the usefulness of the $350 spray-in bed. It doesn't "protect" anything, because the paint in the bed is already ruined by the stuff they put in there, and it is permanent. If its used roughly, and thus justifysomething to "protect" the bed, then the stuff they spray in there is going to look like heck anyway. I don't get it. Is is because the spray-on stuff looks "cool", or perhaps is it because it does NOT get banged up looking and still looks good after years of abuse? If the answer to the last question is no, then why no just save the $350 and beat up the original bed?

 

[TresCrows]

"I don't get it. Is is because the spray-on stuff looks "cool", or perhaps is it because it does NOT get banged up looking and still looks good after years of abuse? "

Well each to their own. It is not the paint damage so much as the ensuing rust from a drop in or years of unprotected wear and tear. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif As to the durability of a spray in, I cannot totally answer that since mine is new but I have seen those used rougher than I ever will and they still look good. They do protect the bed from rust /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif. They also absorb some impact due to thickness and they are apparently very tough and durable and repairable. Line-X has a nationwide warranty for example.
No, I think you are wrong if your assumption is that they are for looks or to be cool. Anything can be torn up, for every immovable object there is the unstoppable force /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif.

My long experience with a drop in and my short experience so far with the Line-X---no comparison. I admit, for some purposes or budgets or older beaters, drop-ins, rubber mats etc may be a perfectly good approach /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif, for a new or newer truck with years of service left ,in my opinion, a quality spray in of which there are several brands is a better answer.
As to looking cool /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif, looks often do count, why have an ugly truck?
And you know what, if I explode myself with gasoline cans on my tailgate /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif, just send red roses and DON'T sue anyone on my behalf, please /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif. J

 

[wroughtn_harv]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( And you know what, if I explode myself with gasoline cans on my tailgate , just send red roses and DON'T sue anyone on my behalf, please )</font>

I don't think that would be an issue. Any attorney would only have to read TBN and realize you were totally responsible and no one else could possibly be at fault.

It's hard to find recourse when a know it all screws up. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[RobertN]

See, in your other post things came up about how who looks at who driving thier trucks. I look from my $35k truck at you in your $35k truck, thinking "he don't use that like a truck" /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif All that power and even more extra power from chips and exhaust and super duper TRD parts, and it's afraid a little piece of concrete will ding it. I thought it was "truck"! Honestly though, I use a trailer too, a flatbed for the tractor/other, and a second trailer with sides for material. The second trailer is mostly because it's a pain to access material in this tall 4wd

Honestly though, I think a regular bed on a truck is fairly useless. Even with a lining... Let's think about this...
a - There are no usefull hooks. Come on! Those silly little things they put at each corner of the bed, where you can't reach them when the bed is full and you need to tie stuff off. And, how can you securely tie off a load with four little hooks? Talk about stuff flying out of the bed, littering the road ect...
b - It's whimpy metal. You can't drop anything in to it for fear of big ole dents. And, if you want to add tie hooks, hope they don't tear out when you use real hitches and knots to secure the load.
c - Wheel wells... a pain to load around, especially if you are shoveling loose stuff.
d - sides... The only way you can shovel is out the back, or heft it over the side, where you drop stuff and scratch the outside of the bed.

A flatbed would be so much nicer(I want one, but can't afford the switch right now).
a - most flat beds have hooks all over the place.
b - they are easy to make in to dump beds
c - they are tougher metal, and don't dent so easy when that piece of concrete falls
d - They are easier to move material in and out of from the back OR sides
e - no wheel wells in the way of shoveling or sweeping
f - Nothing to scratch when shoveling over the side

A flatbed is MUCH MORE USEFUL for most anything you might do with a truck. The only downfall I see is they aint as pretty, since you can see all the various truck parts, frame, ect.

I have hauled everything you mention except for airplane parts. In every case, a flatbed would be easier to use.

All of this, is, of course, IMHO /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif