I decited to purchace the rock Jaws I am paying $950. plus $120 dollars for shipping. They told me they weigh less than 100 lbs. Compared to what is on line. The hydraulic skid steer modle for $5,500 dollars they seem like a bargin and matiance free and easy to store. Heck they are only tongs. I should get them in a week or so. Other lifting tongs were a fiew thousand dollars. If these work as advertized and I get some jobs wth them I will be satisfied, David /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif