Roof Beam replacement.

   / Roof Beam replacement. #81  
Lots of people think they know how things work - but really don't. A number of years ago I read a lengthy piece in a farming publication my FIL subscribed to. There was a big story on building collapses during a larger snowstorm. Most were caused by owners doing mods to their buildings after the buildings were completed by the contractors.

One of the main problems was making attachments to the bottom chords of trusses for walls or stall dividers. Some were homebrew "supports" that owners added. When solid attachments were made, it changed the dynamics of the stresses and didn't allow for the truss to flex as it should. The "support" created a failure point.

They had pictures of good and bad connections. The bad ones created a solid connection between the floor and the truss. The good connections were made solid to the floor and went past the bottom of the truss, going through a guide so the truss could slide up or down.

IIRC, the Hyatt tragedy was caused by the failure of the anchors. Someone decided the ceiling rod supports were unsightly and eliminated some?
Hyatt failure was fabrication change.. original design was balcony supported by three story threaded rod with anchor at roof. Fabricator requested and received approval to have rod only continuous from floor to floor. The floors were not strong enough to support floor below and the floor failed. Engineer lost his license, hundreds died ,and millions paid out in damages. Fabricator did not have to pay damages as he had approval to change design.
other comments are spot on
 
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   / Roof Beam replacement. #82  
Hyatt failure was fabrication change.. original design was balcony supported by three story threaded rod with anchor at roof. Fabricator requested and received approval to have rod only continuous from floor to floor. The floors were not strong enough to support floor below and the floor failed. Engineer lost his license, hundreds died ,and millions paid out in damages. Fabricator did not have to pay damages as he had approval to change design.
other comments are spot on
Original design was also deficient in that it would only support 60% of the building codes required load.
 
   / Roof Beam replacement. #83  
Hyatt failure was fabrication change.. original design was balcony supported by three story threaded rod with anchor at roof. Fabricator requested and received approval to have rod only continuous from floor to floor. The floors were not strong enough to support floor below and the floor failed. Engineer lost his license, hundreds died ,and millions paid out in damages. Fabricator did not have to pay damages as he had approval to change design.
other comments are spot on
So..... Not even remotely similar to the situation being discussed in this thread...... ;)
 
   / Roof Beam replacement. #84  
I have similar sized pole barn (36 x 50). A friend put the shell up for me in 2018. I used reclaimed materials, from a couple of my great great grandfathers old post and beam barns, to add a loft and shops inside the new pole barn.

The 10 ft truss spacing of my pole barn worked out very well for that. I attached the tops of my old hand-hewn American Chestnut loft posts to those trusses, similar to how you attached your support post, to the broken beam:
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The last of the old barns that I dismantled was built in 1883, and had those numbers cut into the siding, up under the peak. I was able to get the “18” board down intact and repurpose it. I tried to match the text with a jigsaw on a “20” board and I installed them both up under the peak, inside the new barn.
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Much of great great grandpas old barns has survived inside and outside the new one (I just finished adding a post and beam woodshed lean-to out back). Maybe some day, my great great grandkids will take this one down.

I was also able to save the old center crane rail, trolley and hay-forks from the old barn. I’m trying to come up with a way to rig that rail between a couple of the trusses on the new barn. It would be neat to use it to move loose hay from a wagon up into that loft.

I fondly remember the days of helping my grandfather with loose hay. It seemed a lot more fun than that way, than it was after he got a small square baler.
 

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