Ok just tried it again and still no go, also when i pulled the oil checking stick out a bunch of oil leaked out. Why would that happen? I changed the oil and added only 3.3 ltrs. Any help thanks ... oh and it almost starts lots of black smoke and its almost on....just missing something.
Rookie farmer needs help with Bolens G174, cranks fast but will not start.
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Can you shoot a video of it trying to start? Has it lost any coolant?
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Ok so if there is any coolant in the oil pan then you have other problems. Just crack open the oil pan drain plug about a turn or so. If there is water or coolant in the oil it will run out until it's all drained and there's just oil left.
If the oil is over full then the most likely culprit is diesel fuel running through the injection pump or the lift pump into the oil pan. Let's hope it's the lift pump as it's a lot easier and cheaper to replace. If the oil is over full from diesel you'll be able to smell the diesel fuel on the dip stick (oil checking stick) when you sniff the dip stick.
I'm not familiar with these tractors at all. Are the glow plugs getting power when you glow the engine? To me it just about sounds like the engine isn't quite warm enough to start. Is the compression low on the engine? That would also cause poor starting.
If the oil is over full then the most likely culprit is diesel fuel running through the injection pump or the lift pump into the oil pan. Let's hope it's the lift pump as it's a lot easier and cheaper to replace. If the oil is over full from diesel you'll be able to smell the diesel fuel on the dip stick (oil checking stick) when you sniff the dip stick.
I'm not familiar with these tractors at all. Are the glow plugs getting power when you glow the engine? To me it just about sounds like the engine isn't quite warm enough to start. Is the compression low on the engine? That would also cause poor starting.
It did not smell like diesel but it was thin down alot. But there is also no coolant in there right now. I was planning on adding it if it fired up for a second or so....I don't have a compression tester but will try to get on. I will also take a video tomorrow and post it. Thanks
It did not smell like diesel but it was thin down alot. But there is also no coolant in there right now. I was planning on adding it if it fired up for a second or so....I don't have a compression tester but will try to get on. I will also take a video tomorrow and post it. Thanks
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If there isn't any coolant in the engine and the level has risen in the oil pan it can only be from fuel or hydraulic fluid entering in somehow, usually through the associated pump. How is your oil level holding out in the transmission? It's not clear to me yet if your glow plugs are getting power or not from the switch. For purposes of starting I would disconnect the wire from the switch to the glow plug rail and before you go to crank it use one side of a set of jumper cables and connect them from the positive terminal of the battery to the glow plug feed - either directly to one of the tops of the glow plugs or to the wire you disconnected from the switch going to the glow plugs. Leave that hooked up for about 10-15 seconds and then crank the engine. After the engine starts (if it starts) then disconnect the jumper cable, or disconnect it after cranking for 5-10 seconds. If it won't start then it's probably back to a fuel or compression issue until those have been proven out.
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Does that dash mounted glow plug element/indicator work?
My friend had an old one of those Bolens and it took a lot of heat and cranking to get that thing started, even in the summer and after it had been run as well. But when it ran, it had power. I always thought, it was just worn out.
My friend had an old one of those Bolens and it took a lot of heat and cranking to get that thing started, even in the summer and after it had been run as well. But when it ran, it had power. I always thought, it was just worn out.
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I would classify the smoke as closer to white than black based on what I can see and how well my display is rendering the colors. You are getting at least some fuel but I'd prefer to see the smoke a little heavier, darker, and more consistent than what it's showing to know there is enough temperature for good combustion and an adequate fuel supply. Looks like it was pretty windy at the time which dissipated the smoke quickly.
Getting as much fuel into the oil as you appear to be is a new experience for me. Can you see the fuel level on the tank through the sight tube? It would be nice to know if it goes down after a few hours on it's own, or only when you are cranking on it (?)
Although smoke can give good hints as to what is going on, it doesn't always offer clear answers as to exactly what the root cause of problems are. Most of my tractors have a tendency to smoke white which is usually associated with coolant getting into the combustion chamber, but I haven't noticed any of them losing coolant. Exhaust gas carries a lot of water vapor that when condensed also appears white. That's why you see a lot of it from vehicles on cold days before engines and exhaust piping systems are warmed up.
The next step I'd say would be a compression check and it sounds like you're already heading in that direction. Pull all the glow plugs to allow the engine to turn over easier and loosen all the injector lines at the injectors to prevent fuel from being pumped in. Even when the fuel lever is in the off position, a little bit still gets injected into the lines and can give false readings of compression if it starts to burn in the cylinder you're checking.
Getting as much fuel into the oil as you appear to be is a new experience for me. Can you see the fuel level on the tank through the sight tube? It would be nice to know if it goes down after a few hours on it's own, or only when you are cranking on it (?)
Although smoke can give good hints as to what is going on, it doesn't always offer clear answers as to exactly what the root cause of problems are. Most of my tractors have a tendency to smoke white which is usually associated with coolant getting into the combustion chamber, but I haven't noticed any of them losing coolant. Exhaust gas carries a lot of water vapor that when condensed also appears white. That's why you see a lot of it from vehicles on cold days before engines and exhaust piping systems are warmed up.
The next step I'd say would be a compression check and it sounds like you're already heading in that direction. Pull all the glow plugs to allow the engine to turn over easier and loosen all the injector lines at the injectors to prevent fuel from being pumped in. Even when the fuel lever is in the off position, a little bit still gets injected into the lines and can give false readings of compression if it starts to burn in the cylinder you're checking.