Tiller Rotary Tillers - Sicma Phoenix vs Ansung Terra Force

[MOTrussell]

my lift cap. is 1435 @24inches ,is this good enough of a safety factor?i dont want to damage my tractor if i can help it.

I hope others will chime in with more knowledge, but according to the specs, the YJR74 is 38.2" front-to-back. I know this can be affected by third point link length adjustment, and I assume the center of gravity of the tiller is at least at the center of the gearbox. With the weight of the tailgate, I would also assume the center of gravity is skewed a little toward the rear of center of the machine. For argument's sake, since 19.1" is half of 38.2", let's assume the center of gravity is skewed 6" toward the rear, which would put the center of gravity at 25". With the 500 lb. surplus budget that you have on lift capacity at 24", I think you would be within capacity of your tractor. I think the bigger concern would be that of HP based on your soil. e.g. new ground, rocky, sandy, etc.

Here is a link to an older thread that may be of relevance:

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/33242-formula-fou-figuring-lift-capacity.html

Like I say, I hope someone else with more knowledge chimes in on your concern.

 

[powerscol]

Lets put it this way. Per specifications my Bobcat CT 235 has a 3pt lift capacity of 1100 lbs @ 24" with 26.5 PTO HP and I have zero issue running the YJR074 that I have. It lifts it fine. I just go at a speed that will not bog down the tractor, which only happens in heavy clay at full depth.

Hope this helps

 

[MOTrussell]

Lets put it this way. Per specifications my Bobcat CT 235 has a 3pt lift capacity of 1100 lbs @ 24" with 26.5 PTO HP and I have zero issue running the YJR074 that I have. It lifts it fine. I just go at a speed that will not bog down the tractor, which only happens in heavy clay at full depth.

Hope this helps

There's your answer! :thumbsup:

 

[dwight jr]

thanks everyone i ordered the yjr074 today from mcgee

 

[powerscol]

Sweet - happy tilling

PS once you get it go over all the bolts with a wrench and just check. Others and I have found one or two that needed snugging once is a while. Also carefully read the manual, and check oil levels before operation.

When you get it set up and run it, you will find a sweet spot on the top link tilt while tilling. Try several different adjustments around the owners manual setting, and you will find one setting that will have very little vibration, and it will till like a dream.

 

[ebbkubota]

Here are a couple of photos of my YJR080 tiller and the mount I fabricated to allow hooking up an 8 foot cultipacker (acquired from Edwards Implement). This setup works great for a single pass seedbed preparation for small seed (brassicas and clover) planting.

 

[dwight jr]

that is neat ,thanks for the pics

 

[dwight jr]

well its here-unloaded but i dont have time today to put it together.i did not notice a manual,do they come with one?i know to ck gear boxes and bolts but what gear oil -90wt?this thing is built! it should outlast me.

 

[MOTrussell]

well its here-unloaded but i dont have time today to put it together.i did not notice a manual,do they come with one?i know to ck gear boxes and bolts but what gear oil -90wt?this thing is built! it should outlast me.

In case it didn't come with one, here is the link to download it:

Terra Force INC. - Support - Operator's Manuals

 

[dwight jr]

well i am confused, the download manual says yjro72 and that it is chain drive

 

[powerscol]

Try this link
Terra Force INC. - Support - Parts Manuals
operator manual here.
Manuals
http://www.ansungusa.com/pdf/OperatorsManuals/RT-GD-OperatorsManuals.pdf

 

[dwight jr]

that is better but nothing about the spring assisited tailgate.i guess i can figure it out tho.when i unpack it i may find a manual anyway. thanks guys

 

[powerscol]

YJR Series

If you look at the pictures you can see the normal location of the spring. To hold the tail gate open you pull the lower clevis, to free the lower spring, lift, and put the clevis pin above the small spring topside where you want it set. My unit came with two springs per side for adjustment (long one below, and small topside. To put down force on the tale gate you move the spring up on the bottom against the mount and put the clevis pins in to hold closure pressure. Once you get it assembled, you can play with the spring and clevis pin location to get it to do what you want. It is fairly easy to adjust, but a second hand makes it easy. That tale gate is heavy

Now to work on the tines I have a choker chain with a big hook on one end that fits the lower edge of the tale gate and chain it up as high as it will go using the top link frame. You will need to free the top spring up, lift,I then put the clevis pins in the closest hole to hold open, as back up in case the chain slips. On my unit there is a hole in the bars at the correct location for this work.

Hope this helps.

 

[ebbkubota]

Here are a couple of photos of the side arms for the receiver mount I fabricated to allow attaching a cultipacker to a YJR080.

 

[powerscol]

that is better but nothing about the spring assisited tailgate.i guess i can figure it out tho.when i unpack it i may find a manual anyway. thanks guys

Take a look at ebbkubota second photo above. That is how the springs should be. You move the clevis pins into different hole positions to get more or less pressure.

 

[JDLastStraw]

Newbie here. I would like to get some opinions on rotary tillers. I have narrowed my search down to two brands, Ansung Terra Force and Sicma Phoenix. I am specifically looking at the YJR series in the 74 or 80 inch widths or the T15 or T20 series in the 72 or 80 inch widths. I would like to stay under $4K delivered, so I might be stretching it with the T20 series. I have measured my tractor (Kubota M7040) tread width and it is 70.5 inches outer lug to outer lug (R1) and 73.5 inches overall width including the bulge of the sidewall.

First would you recommend going with the 80 inch to be sure to cover my tracks or would the 72/74 inch be ok to save a few extra dollars?

Second, It appears that the Terra Force 3rd point attachment connects to the top of the gear box vs the Sicma has a box frame. Is there a risk of the tab on the Terra Force gear box breaking?

Third, Is the Sicma T15 a closer apples to apples to the Terra Force YJR or is the Sicma T20?

Also, any experience with parts availability between the two manufacturers?

I am a firm believer in buying it right the first time, even if you have to wait and save. So, I please welcome any opinions or personal experience between the two brands.

Thanks in advance. -Mike

Hi Mike, I have a smaller tiller than you need however I am using it in glacial till here in Valdez, Alaska. What I have is a Phoenix Sicma T5-40. This one is their severe duty with a chain drive and a slip clutch. I am very happy with it I recommend it highly. Even though I have bounced it a few times on large rocks I didn't get with the chisel plow the only thing I've broken so far is the "V" bolt that attaches the bearing blocks for the three point to the tiller. While my tiller is a 40 inch wide tiller it is perfect for my set up where I use 30 inch beds on 4 foot centers. You can offset this tiller easily you just slide it over by loosening those bearing blocks. One important thing to note though is I got the tiller that has a center drive which allows you to offset either way. some models use a left or right side drive, watch out for that. I got my tiller through Everything Attachments and they are great to work with very friendly and prompt. Great shipping, they shipped all the way to me here in a remote location in Alaska with no hitches. By the way I like the green equipment, using a JD3320.
John - Corbin Creek Farm

 

[curlytail]

Based on some research, it looks the ansung is heavier and has more blades than the sicma but I’ve read that sicma is built very well. It looks like there are lots of ansung fans but are there any sicma fans. I will be dealing with weeds and vines so will need a tiller that doesn’t wrap weeds.

Thanks

 

[JDLastStraw]

Based on some research, it looks the ansung is heavier and has more blades than the sicma but I致e read that sicma is built very well. It looks like there are lots of ansung fans but are there any sicma fans. I will be dealing with weeds and vines so will need a tiller that doesn稚 wrap weeds.

Thanks

I am very pleased with my Sigma tiller, I am dealing with rocky glacial till not many vining weeds. Although I do use it to chop up my indeterminant tomato vines and cucumber vines in my compost pile. It chops those up without any binding problems at all. Bindweed or kudzo might be a different story though, glad I don't have to deal with that.