Rotella oil

Soundguy · Oct 8, 2003

( Chinese tractors? Are not all real, good, reliable tractors made overseas? Asian people build better items then the USA..period. (fast and cheaper too) )

I agree in part. There are many, many products built overseas in asian countries that rival domestic manufacturing technology... but you can't make it a blanket statement. It is plain fact, that chineese tractor technology and manufacturing process are just now catching up to the other asian markets, and foreign markets. For instance... my 1979 japaneese yanmar is still a high quality machine.. today. , even compaired to domestic models of that time.. thet were produced on our soil.. though you are correct.. virtually all, if not all compact tractors are overseas production, then shipped over here.

There are still a few products that I would hold out for domestic production.. but that is more of a QC/testing/safety issue, rather than a manufacturing process issue. As the US usually lags other countries in releasing new medical products, based on stricter safety testing... purity control,raw material quality... etc. you don't see much concrete export from russia... etc, etc...

On another topic, I noticed your signature line.

I assume you like to 'rock & roll'? I also enjoy the class 3 toys.

Soundguy

PitbullMidwest · Oct 8, 2003

sometime ago we (USA) sent our "worlds" smallest drill overseas. The Japanese sent it back with a hole in it!


I first heard this story about 30 years ago, always wondered if it was true. Of course you did say it was "some time ago".

shady1701 · Oct 8, 2003

Well there's alot of dissolved particles used in engine oils like moly and a array of other ones mainly in areas where the oil film collapes and there would be metal to metal contact zinc and other forms of heavy solids are dissolved but at such a way and size not to have any effect on engine lubrication or parts.

Docsknotinn · Oct 8, 2003

sure I would agree with that. I just mean I dont believe we would have oil that eats copper or heavy metals. I am very much in agreement with Sound guy on the blanket statement stuff. I wonder if the drill bit is one of those infamous urban myths. Its clear that some feel foreign products are better which on some levels is interesting. Like " If you want a REAL gun get a Glock " lol. ok, How about if you want a Real gun get a made in the USA Kimber or Wilson combat. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Not knocking Glock But its tough to beat the origional .45 or one of its improved clones. Dave

Junkman · Oct 8, 2003

I heard that story also, but it was with a television..... I believe both stories as much as I believe in Santa Clause and the tooth fairy. I will say that the products that come out of the orient are good, but I have to still believe that here in the USA we can still make the best product available anywhere in the world if we want to. Just think about what was invented here and what was invented in say Japan. Almost everything that comes from Japan is a refinement of a product that was invented here first. It is a lot easier to refine a product than it is to do the R & D to create it..... Televisions, VCR, Telephones, you name the electronic item and you will be able to trace its roots back to the USA. It is the consumer that wants a lesser cost product that drives the economy of cheaper goods from overseas. Cheap labor = less expense to produce goods and in turn they will sell for less. This is why Mercedes Benz cost so much.... almost every part of the car is built in Germany where the labor cost is higher. Is it worth the $ difference? I think so....... Just my opinion... yours may differ......... The Junkman

RWB · Oct 8, 2003

Ok here is the answer from Shell(Rotella site) This come from thier resident tractor expert. "There are often copper containing materials in engine systems, whether manufactured here or overseas. Oils qualified for API Service Category CI-4 (ROTELLA T Multigrade is licensed as CI-4) must pass a bench corrosion test that includes copper. I know of no copper compatibility issues with ROTELLA T. "

I use Rotella in my Dodge and now I'll use it in my tractor too. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

gsxr1100 · Oct 8, 2003

A little off topic but not really. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Ah Junkman /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif I think it holds true since it seems that the USA at one time thought it was the best in manufacturing. Too bad India and Japan are killing us, bigtime. The days of the great factories are gone. Good labor jobs, gone.

The problem in the USA is the labor. The VP needs to meet there % so they get a bonus. If not, they layoff to keep % return high for stock holds. Why would a USA company pay some engineer $65K a year when then can do in over in India for $8K a year. That is 8X our pay for the same outcome, same info! It comes down to dollars and the USA is losing. The company I work for is doing that right now. We were over 13,000 people at out location and now done to 8,000. And layoffs are coming up at end of the month. About 400 people.

The USA is a service nation now. Yes we could make any item but why would some customer pay more for the same product? I wouldn’t.

Agree, that we, USA invented 99% of it. But who is smarter for making it better! The USA, nope. They refined it and it cheaper there our product. Yes we do a lot of R&D but Japan has better quality overall and it seems there people care more about their work. Don’t get me wrong a lot of people care out there job but it seems that the caring is getting less and less. At least that is what I see in the aerospace field.

Can’t blame them since the company keeps lowing benefits but higher prices, no raises, layoffs, job going overseas. Now they said no retirement benefits if you retire after 2006..nice ha. Why care if you on a "list".

But the USA has many good things to offer. Too bad the “high ups” never see it!

I also agree Mercedes Benz is worth the money. The wife’s loves her ML420. To bad I get stuck doing the bills! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

gsxr1100 · Oct 8, 2003

Soundguy ---Yup. It all started with a 45. then to:

Glock
Colts
Springfield Arm (1911)
Bushmaster
S&W
H&K

Then on to NFA's item; /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

It helps being a dealer... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Junkman · Oct 8, 2003

I agree with you 100% as to why it has happened, but one thing that still bothers me is that China can knock off a U.S. patented item and the U.S. Customs will allow it to come into the country. Some manufacturers have been able to get Customs to stop some counterfeit products, but for the most part, they get through. Other countries such as France, Germany, Japan, Italy, etc. have set the bar so high with tariffs that our products either can't be imported or if they finally get in, they are so over priced that they can't compete against the locally manufactured product. One item that comes to mind immediately is Kodak film.... Japan has made it so difficult, that it barely is allowed shelf space in favor of Fuji. The U.S. politician is for sale to the highest bidder in any one given product line, unlike in their own country where it is a crime to give any politician money even if it is for his/her re-election. In the U.S. as a lobbyist you can represent any foreign country or company. In other countries, this is illegal. A U.S. manufacturer has very little ability to legally effect legislation in a foreign country that will favor his product over a domestic product like they can do here. The auto industry is another good example. How many cars & trucks does the U.S. export to the rest of the world that ships their automobiles to ours..... My guess that the ratio doesn't even come to 1 in 1,000!!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

TresCrows · Oct 9, 2003

"The problem in the USA is the labor. "

Well, I think the real problem is the Stock Market driven strategic planning occuring at the board room level all the way down to the factory floor (TQM, High Five, Six Sigma operating strategies). Japanese companies look decades down the road, American companies look at the next Quarterly results and NOP, Net Operating Profit. Japanese companies will sell at a loss to establish themselves in a market or to create a niche market, American companies panic at the mention of a "loss" and rarely seek a niche as a starting point to gain acceptance in a market. It is our own fault that everyhting is made overseas. Unions impact the situation certainly, but short term Stock Market driven planning is the real culprit. The vogue in American companies is Lean Operating, Outsourcing, Downsizing---> all methodss of increasing NOP and boosting short term Stock Market prices. Japanese companies are quiet different, they are not Lean, they do not Outsource widely and Downsizing is only a last resort. Kubota for an example, the engines, transmissions, frames and etc are built in house. Domestic competitors Outsource these components so they can be Lean and Downsized. So whose fault is it? Guess what, it is not Japan's fault. J