Mowing ROW's and how fasst can you cut

   / ROW's and how fasst can you cut #11  
Thanks Brett.

So lets say I have the 6135, and adjust for the overlap, do the travels speeds sound right? are they to slow...to fast??? I mean if you were able to just cut in a straight line. I will have to see the area to know the actual conditions....trees and such.

You would have the hp to travel pretty quick. Your limiting factor will be the ground. Weeds even over the hood cut easier than real thick pasture grass. If it's rough as can be, even the best air ride seat will be miserable to stay in...speaking from experience. It's also very hard on equipment to be bouncing it along hard like a hired man would do. So, hp would not be the concern for speed as much as the condition of the land. Take a ranger, mule, or pickup and drive it. If it's tolerable, you might be able to get something going

Being a retired Electric lineman I can tell you it depends on the ROW.Are you talking Electric distribution or transmission ROW? Utilities usually hire the cheapest contractor who bids the least $$ to clear the trees,brush and such.How quick you can mow depends how much Chit and debris the last podunk contractor left in the ROW. You might want to take some time and walk a few ROW to see if you want to even get involved in the process.

This is a great post! They just wanted to hammer it out and move to the next location. Sometimes you'll get some bang up crews that make it smooth and you can fly thru it

Brett
 
   / ROW's and how fasst can you cut #12  
Terry,
Thanks for the input on overlap, do the travel speeds seem right??

reggie,

My point wasn't the overlap, but the whole idea that you can get 8 hours at speed out of a ten hour day. That's a whole lot more important than the speed in determining the production you will get.

Anyway, nobody can answer your question about ground speed until to describe the conditions you will be working in. Steep or flat, what are you cutting, what kind of obstacles -- all the issues others have already raised?

Have you seen the RoWs you want to bid on? People who understand keep telling you the condition in the field is the most import issue, and you keep ignoring them. You can't even get close to determining the price until you understand what conditions you will be working in. Lots of posters with real experience have been telling you that and you don't respond to those questions.
 
   / ROW's and how fasst can you cut #13  
reggie,

My point wasn't the overlap, but the whole idea that you can get 8 hours at speed out of a ten hour day. That's a whole lot more important than the speed in determining the production you will get.

Have you seen the RoWs you want to bid on? People who understand keep telling you the condition in the field is the most import issue, and you keep ignoring them. You can't even get close to determining the price until you understand what conditions you will be working in. Lots of posters with real experience have been telling you that and you don't respond to those questions.



Yes and all of us have been driving this point home to try to save him from financial ruin. Experience is a good teacher but it can be costly.
 
   / ROW's and how fasst can you cut #14  
reggie,

My point wasn't the overlap, but the whole idea that you can get 8 hours at speed out of a ten hour day. That's a whole lot more important than the speed in determining the production you will get.

Have you seen the RoWs you want to bid on? People who understand keep telling you the condition in the field is the most import issue, and you keep ignoring them. You can't even get close to determining the price until you understand what conditions you will be working in. Lots of posters with real experience have been telling you that and you don't respond to those questions.



Yes and all of us have been driving this point home to try to save him from financial ruin. Experience is a good teacher but it can be costly.
 
   / ROW's and how fasst can you cut #16  
If I was calculating time and productivity take the mowing calculator, width of cut, and your estimated speed with 10% overlap. Take that number and multiply by 50%. You might thing I am crazy. I might be. But that is going to be a close estimation. Just a question? What about possible flat tires on the tractor? How do you expect to handle that?
 
   / ROW's and how fasst can you cut #17  
   / ROW's and how fasst can you cut #18  
Since this will be your first large mowing ROW job, there will undoubtedly be a steep learning curve.
When I first started bidding small land clearing jobs, I would try to estimate the exact amount of time and money it would take me to do the job. Once I came up with a figure that I was happy with, I would DOUBLE it and use that as my estimate.

Almost every time I would have some sort of unforeseen delay or additional cost or extra work that wasn't accounted for, and that doubled estimate quickly became the new "ideal number" for the work I had done.

So for me, I either severely underestimate how much work a job entails, or it's just the nature of the beast that things do happen like that.

Now that I have some experience under my belt, I'm a lot more accurate with my numbers beforehand, but still overbid with the idea that something will slow me down.

The last thing I want to do is tell a landowner I can do it for X amount, and then hand them a bill for more than I anticipated. I prefer to over bid and if the job goes great, I hand them a bill for LESS than I told them, but if not, I'm still paid for my time.

I can't say from experience specifically with ROW clearing, but I will suggest DOUBLING whatever number you estimate to do the job. Worst case they don't accept your bid and you have a lot more time to spend with your family :)

Keep in mind I was never in the situation where I HAD to make the money, in other words, if I did a job and never got paid, I could just chock it up as a loss and my kids wouldn't be missing meals!

One last thing, I've found by reading the majority of posts on this forum in relation to similar questions as yours, that most all the replies will be dissuading you to jump into a new venture. There will ALWAYS be reasons people tell you not to, or your not prepared, or etc, but remember that if you want to be safe and not risk losing anything, then don't ever try something new.

If I listened to the advice given when I was thinking of starting a small business, I never would have done it at all. I'm glad I didn't listen.

If you can afford to lose a lot of money on this, then go for it. If not, then just start smaller, but still go for it!
 
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Matt, Brett, Aaron Z and all others I fail to name, PLEASE KNOW I am very thankful for the all the valuable feed back you guys have given. So here is what I have learned.....

There is way more to this endeavor than meets the eye....especially the untrained eye.

This will require a significant amount of understanding and EXPERIENCE I do not currently have....Sooooo...it is probably in my best interest to pass on this but continue to follow it and learn more. In short...the risk is to high for a startup company to take on a project of this size.

So I will continue getting my "ducks in a row", buying equipment as I can, and start with smaller (much smaller) projects until I have more field experience.

THANK YOU ALL AGAIN!!!!
 
   / ROW's and how fasst can you cut #20  
Matt, Brett, Aaron Z and all others I fail to name, PLEASE KNOW I am very thankful for the all the valuable feed back you guys have given. So here is what I have learned.....
There is way more to this endeavor than meets the eye....especially the untrained eye.
This will require a significant amount of understanding and EXPERIENCE I do not currently have....Sooooo...it is probably in my best interest to pass on this but continue to follow it and learn more. In short...the risk is to high for a startup company to take on a project of this size.
So I will continue getting my "ducks in a row", buying equipment as I can, and start with smaller (much smaller) projects until I have more field experience.
THANK YOU ALL AGAIN!!!!
A very wise decision on your part IMO. Better to start slow rather than jump into a tank of sharks.

Aaron Z
 

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