RTV, Gator, Mule, by Nov.'07

   / RTV, Gator, Mule, by Nov.'07 #11  
if your gonna be riding trails the transport might not be such a good idea being the added lenght when cresting a hill will bottom out.not to mention the longer lenght isn;t so trail friendly (cornering wise) as for as hauling friends throw a mini van seat in the back of a mule or hpx or xuv and use a ratchet binder to secure it i do it all the time and they are really comfy. and they come with thier own seat belts.and the best part is you can get them at a salvage yard in any color you want for about 20.00 or free sometimes.
 
   / RTV, Gator, Mule, by Nov.'07 #12  
hunter,

If you have a power bed lift, you can dump those sassy kids off with just the push of a button!!! But I digress... ;)

After reading your posts, my choice would be the new Gator XUV 620i (and yes, I am biased) :D with the RTV coming in a close second. The Mule is a very distant 3rd place, IMHO... The gas engine in the 620i will give you more than enough power with a low gear for work, and a high gear (30 mph) for play - and the cold starting issue is a moot point with the standard fuel injection.

As far as stability and weight are concerned, you should not have an issue with either the XUV or the RTV. Yes, the RTV is heavier - but I have driven them, loaded and unloaded, in several situations (see below for my one "exciting" ride) and have found them to be very stable, the same for the Deere. Either of these units will do everything you need as far as work goes.

The difference in transmissions is huge. The XUV uses a CVT style transmission (very similar to the new CVT's in automobiles - although autos use chains instead of belts - and this technology also runs the gamut from snowmobiles to atvs) with the exclusive electronic throttle and governor system that always gives you full power, even as the belt wears. The RTV uses a hydrostatic transmission, similar to the ones in a small tractor. I cannot say anything bad about the hydro trans itself, although the excessive engine braking it produces is not to my taste, especially on hills... You really need to demo both units (which it sounds like you are already planning to do) and decide which one works better for you. I myself had a scary situation on an RTV - heading downhill on a slightly wet, grass slope I let off the accelerator pedal, the engine braked, and the rear end swung around on me. I should have gotten on the gas again, but hit the brakes instead :eek: and ended up pointing back up the hill! The RTV has power steering standard, which is obviously a step up from the Deere, but that is not to say that the XUV is hard to steer, just that the RTV is easier. Again, drive them both, preferably in varied conditions, and decide for yourself!

The one aspect that I feel the XUV really outshines the RTV is in the suspension system... I just returned from training in the Pacific Northwest, where I had my second chance (the first was in Sarasota last fall) to drive both the XUV and RTV (among others) under many varied situations. The fully independent suspension on the XUV is by far the class of the field - and this is true when it is empty or fully loaded with a driver, passenger and 1K in the bed... The RTV just does not ride near as nicely as the XUV does, but don't take my word for it - demo both of them!

I don't know how much "real" trail riding you plan to do, but the "True 4WD" of the Deere is also an added benefit, (you can check out some videos of the Deere HPX / XUV versus the competion on www.deere.com - click on "Commercial" then "Gator Utility Vehicles" then "High Performance Series" then "Learn More" and the link for the 4WD comparison will be in the lower right hand corner) in light duty trail riding you should not have an issue with the RTV at all - just be careful in swampy or muddy conditions due to the added weight of the RTV.

In regards to product quality, fit and finish, good dealers etc. you should be fine with either the Deere or the Kubota. I was able to take quite a few pictures at this last training event, and will post them here early next week. There were really no issues with either the XUV or the RTV but take a look at some of the others... Wow! The rat's nest of wiring under some of the dashboards was unreal... :( Anyway, that is just my two (or three :rolleyes: ) cents worth - let me know if you have any specific questions - I will be glad to help in any way that I can!!! :D
 
   / RTV, Gator, Mule, by Nov.'07 #13  
Hunterridge- Our place is in Mitchell county. Funny your offer to look after the RTV was about the 6th one since I got it!
 
   / RTV, Gator, Mule, by Nov.'07 #14  
Tommy: You suggested getting an old mini van seat. I thought about that but did not want all that weight. We had a Ford Expedition about 9 years ago. The 3rd row rear seat in that thing must have weighed a jazillion pounds. I took it out only when absolutely necessary. There must have been enough steel in that thing to build another small car. There is no way I want to be moving that kind of weight. The rumble seat weighs something like 37# with the aluminum frame model. Do you know of a 2 person mini van seat that weighs less than 100#?

If all goes well with my new welder, I may weld up my own version and put some JD yellow bucket seats on it and hit the junkyard for only the seatbelts.
 
   / RTV, Gator, Mule, by Nov.'07
  • Thread Starter
#15  
gordon21 said:
Did you consider a smaller version of this for transporting people and picked items to and from the fields? Low sides, big flat area and OK for people if you added some hand holds along the edges of a wood deck. The tow ratings on the RTV and Gator are well above 1200# A 5'x8' 400# wagon, 4 extra adults and some produce and you would be within limits.

Make sure the deck is covered with loose hay in the fall and a couple hay bales in the center. City folks would come to YOUR site just for the neat hay ride.

A.B. Mfg. - Agrimaster 5 Ton Wagon

I have considered the trailer for hauling people but we are going to be small scale to begin with. It will take a couple of years to get blueberries and such established. Really want to haveit established for early retirement. If it grows quicker then exsected I'll pull the utility yrailer behind the tractor. As for now will just sale to family and friends and by word of mouth. Most likely 3 years before pick-your-own.


TOMMYHP,
Had not thought about the added length of the Transmule, somethingto consider. However I don't think we will be doing any rough trail riding.

BleedGreen,
Good information. As I get closer to a decision I will have more questions. Over the next few weeks I will be test driving and comparing specs. Also will have to let my wife test drive.

I do want to test the transmissions on all three. Even though I like the RTV the Hydro tramsmission seem to stop with a jerk, like slamming on the brakes.
May require some gettinguse to.

nolefan,
Mitchell County is not but two Counties west of me. Do you have a small trailer I can haul it on;)
 
   / RTV, Gator, Mule, by Nov.'07 #16  
I would not do anything until the XUV is here. I think about five minutes on one will suffice.

John M
 
   / RTV, Gator, Mule, by Nov.'07 #18  
We bought a 3010 Mule last year. It does everything we ask of it and more. Using the 4WD, it has never been stuck, will climb any hill, and pulls a 65 gal water trailer with a load in the bed.
When we got it, the dealer had it discounted $500. We used the savings and bought a winch, just in case. We have never needed it.
The extra two seats are great when you have visitors and want to show them the sights of your place. If you don't need the extra seat, fold it up and you have more cargo space.
The one thing I will say is, buy your filters and routine maintenance supplies at an auto parts store. Kawasaki seems to thing their stuff is gold plated.
I looked at all of them, Polaris, Kubota, Gator, etc., The Kawasaki won out based upon looks, price and flexibility (i.e., 4 seats).
 
   / RTV, Gator, Mule, by Nov.'07
  • Thread Starter
#19  
jcmseven said:
I would not do anything until the XUV is here. I think about five minutes on one will suffice.

John M

John,

I plan to do just that. I believe you were waiting on the XUV also...correct?
If so can't wait to get the review.

jgl1962,

I had forgot about the Bobcat 2200:eek: I test drove one of those at an open house a couple years ago with the Kubota diesel and liked it better from a driving standpiont than the RTV. One of my dealers is also a large Bobcat dealer. AND I am a Ingersoll Rand Vendor so I can get a discount on IR products. I also deal with Club Car and can get vendor discounts through them. I will have to see what kind of discount I can get on the Bobcat. Hopefully they have not changed the vendor discount to where I have to supply Bobcat direct.


weldingisfun,
Thanks for the info on the 3010 mule. What is the ballpark price you paid, if you don't mind me asking? Did you get the gauges the show MPH and fuel?
 
   / RTV, Gator, Mule, by Nov.'07 #20  
hunterridgefarm said:
weldingisfun,
Thanks for the info on the 3010 mule. What is the ballpark price you paid, if you don't mind me asking? Did you get the gauges the show MPH and fuel?
With the winch right at $9500. No fuel gauge or speedometer on the dash, but I do have a fuel gauge under the front seat on top of the fuel tank.
 

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