Running DSL Lines

anthonyk · Aug 21, 2005

I have Direcway for the same reasons.
I have to say, download speeds are actually quite good.
I can download a megabyte in about 10 seconds.
UPLOAD, however is about as effective as 2 cans and a string..... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
It seems to be about the same as dial up for the upload.
I have had only a few signal problems and that has been during extremely bad weather.
Other than that no complaints.

Anthony

EddieWalker · Aug 21, 2005

The local phone company here is SBC and I called the number listed in the phone book for customer service. I told the person who answered I wanted to speak to somebody about internet service for an RV Park I'm building. She transfered me to one guy, who sent me to another guy and he sent me to a third, who is in charge of it. It took a little bit of waiting on the phone, but eventually I got where I needed to be. I'll aslo be bringing in a couple hundred pairs of phone lines that we'll be working on together, so the phone call had several topics.

Eddie

Varmintmist · Aug 22, 2005

Eddie, one thing you could think about is becoming a ISP. If they are going to drop a 200 pair into your park, there is no reason that you couldnt get a couple t1's and a DSLAM. You need 4 T1's to offer a soild 3M service. You could do DSL lite and they get what they get with 2 T1s.

As to T1 sharing. A T1 isnt a bandwidth pipe that you can just pull off at any point on the route. It is a point to point service. If you want to share then you have to demultiplex the seperate channels out to different users AFTER the T1 drops to your location. To get a fractional T1 basicly it takes up channels in a channel bank, or steals channels from a T1 if you will. This is still distance limited. It is a true 512K where your DSL connection may be 1.5 Meg, that is not what you are transfering at.

A single DSL cant be built out like a T1 for the simple reason it is different tech. A T1 is a high voltage carrier 230VDC that is repeatable, HDSL is more like a T1 than what you are refering to as DSL, it is also repeatable. Both are repeated (T1) or doubled (HDSL) every 6000 feet ish. HDSL is more by loss but 6K is close with pure 24ga wire.

The cost comes in with the office and line equipment, the labor can add up, but even if everything goes wrong it still isnt nearly as expensive as the cards /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Hope any of this helped, it is way to late for me to be thinking /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

gws · Aug 22, 2005

How far from your home to someone who does have dsl/cable modem? I know of a couple of people whoinstalled DSL at a friends house then backhaul it to there house via wireless connections.

hobbyfarm · Aug 22, 2005

( What 'department' did you talk to at the phone line regarding the T1 and Sub T1? )

Ask to speak with a Special Services Representative.

T1s are considered special circuits and are not administered by the typical install/repair technician.

hobbyfarm · Aug 22, 2005

( If they are running 1 line to 1 person (as with you), did you have any performance issues? Does the 1 line contain some type of built in redundancy?

Last question: who did you talk to when you decided to go the T1 route? If I pick up the telephone and call my local phone company, who will I be asking for? )

Usually, T1s are installed in pairs one being the active span, and one being the spare span.
the nice thing about T1 service, is the phone co. always includes a one-hour agreement. If the system goes down, after one-hour of downtime, it is on their penny.

You might try to check out a cable-based connection like RoadRunner. That may be much cheaper than T1.

Jagmandave · Aug 22, 2005

You've gotten some pretty good advice from what sounds like some very telco knowledgeable people.
My 2c,
we had "Starband" satellite at my office, because we were out in the boonies, no DSL available. It worked OK, when it worked. We were supposed to be able to have up to 6 people online at the same time, but the service slowed down soooo muuuccchhhhhh that it wasn't feasible. Seemed like a single cloud would take us offline too. So I'd say it's just not viable for someone who needs realtime 2 way communication - or even daily reliability!

We now run a split T1, where 1/2 is used for voice, and the other 1/2 for data, and it only runs us about $650 a month, which is cheaper than what we were spending for voice only, plus internet connectivity. It's 12 channels each, and our data side runs a guaranteed 768k up and downstream. To me, it seems almost as fast as my 5K roadrunner service at home - and way more reliable, as I've had "issues" lately with my Roadrunner connectivity, altho it's the first time in 4 years that I have, so don't get me wrong about Roadrunner. Point is, the T1 seems as fast, and has been dead reliable. I'd look into this option. We were in the process of replacing our phone system as well, so the phone vendor handled the SBC part as well, co-ordinating the install and turn on. It all went extremely smoothly, for us.

We also looked into bringing Roadrunner in, as the houses across the street have it. But, they would have had to run a new line, install new nodes and whatnot -botttom line - they quoted us $60K for the install! We passed. We've been very happy with the T1 since..............

Varmintmist · Aug 22, 2005

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Usually, T1s are installed in pairs one being the active span, and one being the spare span.)

Nope, a T1 is 2 pair, 1 pair transmit and one pair recieve. Some 4 wire HDSL will work badly with a sick span, a 2 wire HDSL is DRT with pretty much any badness injection.

Either way, special circuts are one of the things that a phone company is rated on with down time. They really matter with the various PUCs. Our commit is under 4 hours. Sounds like a long time until you figure you have to drive an hour at 2AM just to figure out if you went to the right place /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

But thats how I buy my goodies, callout OT /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Drago · Aug 22, 2005

At times, I am frustrated with dial-up living in a rural environment...especially when a friend sends 20 pictures of their newborn. No phone for quite some time.

In addition to all the other responses, you might want to check out www.wildblue.com. I can't convince to boss at home to pay the installation fee yet. A couple more "photo e-mails" will change her mind though.

Good luck,
Drago

hobbyfarm · Aug 22, 2005

( ...a T1 is 2 pair, 1 pair transmit and one pair ecieve. Some 4 wire HDSL will work badly with a sick span, a 2 wire HDSL is DRT with pretty much any badness injection.
)

E x a c t l y /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif,
But, down here in south TEXAS, they typically always install two boards in the cabinet. One - they set active and the second board is set as spare. Every location we have at least one T1 in, we also have a spare T1.
Maybe that's how our local Bell gives us our 1 hour service.
Phil