Running generator from tractor and a video of my property

[Industrial Toys]

Not a place you want to go poking around with dreadlocks.

 

[BrokenTrack]

Gen went down again this weekend. Left me stranded with no water for my plants. I think I may be able to get it going once again but its prob. on last leg.

Gen portion is fine, its the 13 hp small engine that is worn.

Whats the chance of adapting the gen to my pto of the b 6100e?

I have a second gen just thinking I could put this too good use in a pinch.

Gen spins at 3600 rpm. I know nothing about pto. Never used the pto yet on either of my tractors.

Adapting it isnt my issue. Understanding pto speeds is.


Ill post video later

You could easily do what you suggest by making a mounting shaft from the generator that you have, to the driven axle of a car. A bit of shafting, some plate, drilling and welding and you are there!

You would have to jack up the front end of a car, take off the front tire, then attach the mounting plate onto the studs of the tire instead. Then you would have to chain the other tire of the same axle so it would not turn due to the differential, and put a stick from the back of the seat to the gas pedal to get the right speed.

You might have to shift the car manually into different gears to get the right speed, but it would get the generator spinning at 3600 rpm which of course would net you 60 cycles per second for a frequency. To check that you could either use a remote rpm checker on the generator shaft, or get a load center to see what the frequency is being put out...the latter being the better idea.

You cannot use a Fluke Meter because they do not accurately pick up the frequency output on a small generator unfortunately.

It is kind of redneckish, but it would get you there.

But a person could do this with a PTO generator too, and for very little money have a lot of power for backup power. How refined it gets is up to you. It could be as redneck as an old junk car bought for $500 that is no longer road worthy, to as simple as a set of rolls that you drive your pickup on to spin the PTO generator shaft, or as involved as what I have done with using a stand alone engine.

 

[1930]

You could easily do what you suggest by making a mounting shaft from the generator that you have, to the driven axle of a car. A bit of shafting, some plate, drilling and welding and you are there!

You would have to jack up the front end of a car, take off the front tire, then attach the mounting plate onto the studs of the tire instead. Then you would have to chain the other tire of the same axle so it would not turn due to the differential, and put a stick from the back of the seat to the gas pedal to get the right speed.

You might have to shift the car manually into different gears to get the right speed, but it would get the generator spinning at 3600 rpm which of course would net you 60 cycles per second for a frequency. To check that you could either use a remote rpm checker on the generator shaft, or get a load center to see what the frequency is being put out...the latter being the better idea.

You cannot use a Fluke Meter because they do not accurately pick up the frequency output on a small generator unfortunately.

It is kind of redneckish, but it would get you there.

But a person could do this with a PTO generator too, and for very little money have a lot of power for backup power. How refined it gets is up to you. It could be as redneck as an old junk car bought for $500 that is no longer road worthy, to as simple as a set of rolls that you drive your pickup on to spin the PTO generator shaft, or as involved as what I have done with using a stand alone engine.

I understand and may use this idea one day. At this point I'm just needing water on my property and the easiest way

 

[BrokenTrack]

yeah there are a hundred ways to do it. What it looks like has more to do with how its done than anything. A beat up old car on blocks driving a generator would work, it just looks kind of crappy.

But you could also take an old transmission, and use your PTO on the tractor to power the output shaft on the transmission. The input shaft would then be hooked to the generator. In that configuration (the transmission being backwards) you have geared up the slow (540 RPM) pto to get 3600 rpm at the generator.

You would just have to find the right gear that gets 3600 rpm at the generator at a decent RPM of the tractor. Diesel engines are great, but they have a very narrow powerband. I ran into that with my Perkins Engine because I could not power my PTO generator directly, because at such a slow rpm, it would not develop enough horsepower for the KW's/amps I need to produce.

With a transmission though, you just find the right speed, at the right torque.

 

[WranglerX]

yeah there are a hundred ways to do it. What it looks like has more to do with how its done than anything. A beat up old car on blocks driving a generator would work, it just looks kind of crappy.

But you could also take an old transmission, and use your PTO on the tractor to power the output shaft on the transmission. The input shaft would then be hooked to the generator. In that configuration (the transmission being backwards) you have geared up the slow (540 RPM) pto to get 3600 rpm at the generator.

You would just have to find the right gear that gets 3600 rpm at the generator at a decent RPM of the tractor. Diesel engines are great, but they have a very narrow powerband. I ran into that with my Perkins Engine because I could not power my PTO generator directly, because at such a slow rpm, it would not develop enough horsepower for the KW's/amps I need to produce.

With a transmission though, you just find the right speed, at the right torque.

And then there is controlling a governor to keep rpm at generator constant so system stays at a constant 60 hertz as load changes.... But instead of trying to control the frequency you can use big DC generator and charge batteries and the use inverter to change the DC voltage into AC voltage.... But gee whiz it all get more complex and expensive than putting new motor on old framework or just going out and buying 7.5kw stand alone unit.....

This who thread echos the futility of the 220 Volt Circuit thread in the Welding forum....

Dale

 

[BrokenTrack]

Or just set your throttle for the load, and let the governor adjust the engine as needed. If the load goes up or down drastically, I just check the load meters to see if I need to adjust the throttle. Farmers have been using this method just fine for the last 70 years.

And then there is controlling a governor to keep rpm at generator constant so system stays at a constant 60 hertz as load changes.... But instead of trying to control the frequency you can use big DC generator and charge batteries and the use inverter to change the DC voltage into AC voltage.... But gee whiz it all get more complex and expensive than putting new motor on old framework or just going out and buying 7.5kw stand alone unit.....

This who thread echos the futility of the 220 Volt Circuit thread in the Welding forum....

Dale