Oil & Fuel Running on #2 home heating oil?

[LBrown59]

My neighbor ordered HHO and ORD. Guy pulls up, fills up the house, backs up 30 ft, fills up the OffRoad tank. When neighbor gets the bill, he is charged sales tax on the ORD, but not on the HHO. He will be buying strickly HHO from now on, and then transfering to his ORD tank himself.

He could do that or simply order all HHO.
Another idea .
Simply hook his pump up to the HHO tank and do away with the ORD tank.
Last june I had 60 gallon of fuel delivered.
There was no sales tax on it so it did not matter where I used it.
In the furnace or in my tractor.

 

[dking]

Here in NB, (i think it's the same in Maine)...both are the same thing except one has red dye. The only difference is the tax, so if you get caught running HHO you get fined. It's all about the taxes.

 

[kenstrac]

Okay so here is what I found out...

In the state of Pa you can not put home heating oil in a piece of equipment.
It is illegal and is subjected to a fine to the end user and the fuel company that put it in.
Home heating fuel does not have some of the lubercants and the usdl additive in it.
Both on and off road does have the usdl additive in it but they also add a red dye to the off road fuel.

Yes you are right Rick HHO and Diesel ARE NOT THE SAME!
yes you can burn HHO in a diesel BUT it does not have algicides in it or stabilizers
I used HHO on the farm and added 2 oz of algicides to 330 gal.and I used the fuel up very quickly.
But to have and hold HHO 60 gal for 6 mos is asking for trouble.
When the algae starts growing in your fuel system and pump plungers end up with rust on them they will learn a valuable lesson

 

[LBrown59]

1*Here in NB,both are the same thing except one has red dye.
2*The only difference is the tax, so if you get caught running HHO you get fined.
3*It's all about the taxes.

1*If it's all the same stuff there is no both.
2*Not unless you are running it on the road.
3*Sure is ; but the tax only applies to fuel thet is used on the road.
Fuel used in your tractor or in the a home furnace is not beeing used on the road therefore the tax does not apply.

 

[LBrown59]

A

I used to deliver home heating oil for a local oil company. Every once in a while the office would send me to a job site to fill equipment with off-road diesel. Same stuff, different name, pumped from the same load. I don't know about the sales tax, office did all the billing.

B

My neighbor ordered HHO and ORD. Guy pulls up, fills up the house, backs up 30 ft, fills up the OffRoad tank. When neighbor gets the bill, he is charged sales tax on the ORD, but not on the HHO. He will be buying strickly HHO from now on, and then transfering to his ORD tank himself.

Yes you are right Rick HHO and Diesel ARE NOT THE SAME!

If they are not the same how do you explain post A and B above ?
The only thing I can come up with is your area must be different.
The place where i get my fuel says HHO and Off Road is the same.

 

[LBrown59]

Okay so here is what I found out...

*In the state of Pa you can not put home heating oil in a piece of equipment.
It is illegal and is subjected to a fine to the end user and the fuel company that put it in.

Home heating fuel does not have some of the lubercants and the usdl additive in it.
Both on and off road does have the usdl additive in it but they also add a red dye to the off road fuel.

*That sure would not work here because we only have 1 fuel .

 

[kenstrac]

A

B


If they are not the same how do you explain post A and B above ?
The only thing I can come up with is your area must be different.
The place where i get my fuel says HHO and Off Road is the same.

This was taken from the Exxon/mobile website
Diesel fuels have cetane specifications to assess combustion properties in diesel engines. They are also exposed to outdoor temperatures and relatively fine filtration. The most common measure for low-temperature fluidity is the cloud point. Neither heating oils nor kerosines require cetane number or cloud point specs. In the United States, heating oils and kerosenes are not taxed as are over-the-road diesel fuels. To distinguish them, with a few exceptions, the IRS requires that they be dyed dark red.


To some people, the term "diesel fuel" means any petroleum distillate which boils between 300 and 700 degrees Fahrenheit, and so includes another group of products which are more properly called heating oils. Heating oils are intended for use in domestic or commercial space-heating furnaces, or as fuel for small steam or hot water boilers. In practice, some small petroleum refiners produce a single product which is marketed as both No. 2 diesel oil and No. 2 heating oil. The specifications for the two products overlap sufficiently that a dual-purpose product is possible. Larger refiners, however, make separate products with separate properties.

HHO is HHO why don't you call Kubota and ask them if they recommend HHO then after that you can have an analyst done on what the guy is delivering to you this week to confirm that's its OK then next time you get a delivery you can have that one analyzed also and on and on You don't know where it's coming from and next week it might come from another refinery.
If you have a problem with your tractors fuel system is your oilman going to cover the repairs I don't think so
BTW I bet that a lot of the cold weather starting problems and gelling with people that got the so called HHO off road fuel that was the same.

 

[PA hayseed]

Is it safe to run straight #2 in my CK25? I have 150 gallons of the stuff at the moment. Its well aged shall we say Does anyone know what I should be looking for as a sign of break down of the oil? Its been stored behind my shed for about 2 years, it was in an under ground tank for a year or more before that. It burns just fine in my Reddy heater. Since I get ULSD from my nearest station I was thinking of mixing #2 and ULSD or simply running straight #2.

Does anyone think there will be a problem with running #2.

This really should be posted in the oil and lube section. Not that I am an extra special moderator or anything, but this issue has been well beaten in threads there. What you will see on this thread reflects issues on those threads. Most people speak from their localized experience, which may not equate to your area, in the subject of HHO and diesel fuels. What you will notice, across all the topics from various areas is the fact that noone really trusts that stuff having sat around that long.

Feel free to visit the oil and lube thread to read all about algae, water, lubricity, ULSD, LSD, etc. You can glean a wealth of information from those posts.

 

[Hoosier Hay Man]

My father drove a fuel truck for many years and there was a significant difference in quality of diesel fuel. His company had a patented fuel, It was refined to be a diesel fuel. They colored it purple as their signiture for being patented. They no longer can use the special color due to the tax laws, but is still availible, they also have soyblends. It is made with all American crude oil also. Dieselex is the brand name.
There only was a couple of patented fuels out there then.

They had a driver from company x hire on. He told them that when you ordered diesel fuel from company x they would mix red coloring in while filling the truck with #2 heating oil, so yes in some areas there is no difference. My father always called it cake coloring. Once they tested the red agianst my father's company's patened fuel and #2 heating oil. Company x diesel tested below my fathers companies #2 heating oil. So having said that IMO, when it comes to diesel you should you only use the best fuel availible, reserch. In this case I can buy the good stuff for the same or less and not worry about pump problems. Also remember good fuel doesn't need any additive. He would run his trucks for 500,000 miles never using additive. He called additives snake oil.

 

[LBrown59]

My father drove a fuel truck for many years and there was a significant difference in quality of diesel fuel. His company had a patented fuel, It was refined to be a diesel fuel. They colored it purple as their signiture for being patented. They no longer can use the special color due to the tax laws, but is still availible, they also have soyblends. It is made with all American crude oil also. Dieselex is the brand name.
There only was a couple of patented fuels out there then.

They had a driver from company x hire on. He told them that when you ordered diesel fuel from company x they would mix red coloring in while filling the truck with #2 heating oil, so yes in some areas there is no difference. My father always called it cake coloring. Once they tested the red agianst my father's company's patened fuel and #2 heating oil. Company x diesel tested below my fathers companies #2 heating oil. So having said that IMO, when it comes to diesel you should you only use the best fuel availible, reserch. In this case I can buy the good stuff for the same or less and not worry about pump problems. Also remember good fuel doesn't need any additive. He would run his trucks for 500,000 miles never using additive. He called additives snake oil.

We only have i fuel here so I guess that's what I'm doing.