Oil & Fuel RX7320 Won't Re-start

[OrangeAgain]

I added about three gallons of diesel before I began discing today. All of a sudden, when crossing a slight slope, the low fuel beeping began. I shut the motor off, put more diesel in and now the tractor won't start. It won't even turn over. I've checked to make sure the shifting levers are in neutral and the emergency brake is on.

I am going to put more fuel in.

I'm thinking the fuel level sensor sensed low fuel because of the slight slope and started beeping.

Would it help if I bled the fuel line? If I bleed the line will the low fuel sensor know that and somehow let the tractor start?

Why might the tractor not start? How to start?

 

[Mugeye]

I added about three gallons of diesel before I began discing today. All of a sudden, when crossing a slight slope, the low fuel beeping began. I shut the motor off, put more diesel in and now the tractor won't start. It won't even turn over. I've checked to make sure the shifting levers are in neutral and the emergency brake is on.

I am going to put more fuel in.

I'm thinking the fuel level sensor sensed low fuel because of the slight slope and started beeping.

Would it help if I bled the fuel line? If I bleed the line will the low fuel sensor know that and somehow let the tractor start?

Why might the tractor not start? How to start?[/

What did the dealer say? when it comes to little things like that I would be calling my dealer and working out the problem right away. Why wait for forum replies When there’s work to be done

 

[countrybumpkin]

Shuttle lever in neutral, if it won’t turn over sounds more like a safety switch issue.

 

[dog13]

The fuel sender is in the tank, it won't be aware of whether their is air in the line so bleeding won't help a no crank/no start. I'd definitely add fuel, there may be a safety feature to not start below a certain point and the sender may not have picked up enough fuel to register the change. I suspect that when you turn the key you won't hear the fuel pump, which would also point to an electrical/safety interlock issue.
...you mentioned checking to be sure all the shift levers are in neutral, that is good, i'd recheck those by moving them out of neutral then back to neutral and then confirm the neutral light, along making sure PTO didn't become engaged. (I did that last one on my RX and it gave me the same no start/no crank). If all that checks out i'd reach out to your dealer for thoughts and start checking fuses along with the safety sensors (seat sensor, clutch engagement etc). I'd also take a look at the fuel filter to see if it's collected water - my truck has a sensor in the filter for water, not sure if our tractors do but worth a check.

 

[cat fever]

PTO engaged is the main thing I can think of.

 

[MickeyDBC]

I have found if I am shredding the ditch in front of the ranch I need to have at least a third of a tank or the alarm goes off. Level ground - no problem. Slope where the tractor is tilting to the right side the alarm will go off and is rather startling. As long as it did not die from lack of fuel you should not have to bleed it, I suspect you missed a safety switch like the pto, seat, brake set, direction switch in neutral. Also check to make sure that your battery did not shift around on the slope and pull a connector off.

 

[thepumpguysc]

The easiest way to check is>> while holding the key on, in the cranking position, wiggle your levers.. you just might find it wasn't in neutral, pto still engaged.. that type of thing..
Also, wiggle your butt around in the seat.. safety switches in the seats are BAD about going bad.. loosing connection.
Good luck.

 

[CMV]

The easiest way to check is>> while holding the key on, in the cranking position, wiggle your levers.. you just might find it wasn't in neutral, pto still engaged.. that type of thing..
Also, wiggle your butt around in the seat.. safety switches in the seats are BAD about going bad.. loosing connection.
Good luck.

That's the truth! I'm not huge - about 180 - and to adjust the suspension seat to where it won't bottom out on a good bump means just slightly moving my butt let's the seat sensor think nobody is home. Like just shifting weight to set parking brake is enough that if I'm not quick about it, the tractor cuts off.

Are all newer tractors this way? My little LS sure wasn't. Had to be in N to start and butt had to be in seat, but otherwise it wasn't quite as annoying with continually needing to set parking brake... One minor gripe with my Kioti... I do lots of stuff where I'm needing to hop on/off the machine frequently or stand up to see forks. Put in N, set brake, get back on, wiggle stick around to get it to find M again, brake off, repeat.

The auto PTO gets me too. Since the implement is up and PTO not running, you forget the PTO switch is actually engaged and can't restart.

 

[OrangeAgain]

Mystery solved. The PTO was engaged when the tractor stopped. When I dis-engaged it, the tractor started. Thanks for all the advice.

 

[CMV]

Nice when "oh crap!" turns out to be super simple

 

[countrybumpkin]

As for the seat switch issue, that’s why on my NX I did redo the seat mount to defeat it. All other safety switches are still in use.

 

[CMV]

As for the seat switch issue, that’s why on my NX I did redo the seat mount to defeat it. All other safety switches are still in use.

I might be very interested in this mod Plenty of times on level ground I want to just hop off and chuck a rock or something. Would be nice to not have to go thru all the steps, twice, just to dismount for 5 sec.

 

[countrybumpkin]

A few different ways it can be done, the most common way is to unplug the wire connector from the base of the seat and install a jumper wire to complete the circuit.



This is another way a few have done, gives the best of both worlds with the flip of a switch.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kioti-owning-operating/357076-nx-safety-seat-switch-mod.html

On mine I did a different way, on mine the seat cushion is held up off the switch with two springs under the front two bolts holding the seat cushion , I just removed the two long shoulder bolts and replaced with short fully threaded ones that when tightened holds the cushion down against the safety switch.

 

[thepumpguysc]

OOOO.. SAFTEY POLICE!!! SAFTEY POLICE.!!! LOL

 

[gunmonkeyintl]

Your tractors shut off if you come up off the seat?
Really?

That’s crazy.
If mine did that, I would have disabled it as soon as the dealer got it off the trailer.

 

[CMV]

Your tractors shut off if you come up off the seat?
Really?

That痴 crazy.
If mine did that, I would have disabled it as soon as the dealer got it off the trailer.

Yep. Gives you about 1.5 sec...enough to pop up real quick and look at something, but if butt not in seat, it shuts off. Same for starting...in N, parking brake engaged (just foot on brake pedal won't do it), and butt in seat, PTO off - even auto PTO with implement raised. Good in that you can't get too stupid and run yourself over. Bad when you want to hop off to chuck a rock or something when bush hogging. Real bad using pallet forks at times since hard to see tips.

I can live with it. Don't really love it, but not a high enough level of annoyance that I hate the machine or anything. Problem we have is wife is a lot shorter and lighter than I am. So if I have seat suspension adjusted for my weight, tractor is continually cutting off or won't start for her.

Overall...at least for now...it is probably a good thing. My LS would just let you hop off in gear, engine running. If you hit a HST pedal it would cut off, but otherwise you could hop off. And it took a pretty good slope for it to move sitting in gear idling but no HST pedal input. The HST brake just held. The NX - at least how I have HST response set - has virtually 0 HST brake hold. Not sure if I'm even calling that correct thing - "HST brake" - but idling in M and no HST pedal input, it still wants to roll if ground is just very slightly out of level. So it at least has made me aware it is different and my poor habit of hopping off in gear hasn't got me hurt or let tractor roll into something since it nannies me enough to prevent it.

 

[gunmonkeyintl]

Yep. Gives you about 1.5 sec...enough to pop up real quick and look at something, but if butt not in seat, it shuts off. Same for starting...in N, parking brake engaged (just foot on brake pedal won't do it), and butt in seat, PTO off - even auto PTO with implement raised. Good in that you can't get too stupid and run yourself over. Bad when you want to hop off to chuck a rock or something when bush hogging. Real bad using pallet forks at times since hard to see tips.

I can live with it. Don't really love it, but not a high enough level of annoyance that I hate the machine or anything. Problem we have is wife is a lot shorter and lighter than I am. So if I have seat suspension adjusted for my weight, tractor is continually cutting off or won't start for her.

Overall...at least for now...it is probably a good thing. My LS would just let you hop off in gear, engine running. If you hit a HST pedal it would cut off, but otherwise you could hop off. And it took a pretty good slope for it to move sitting in gear idling but no HST pedal input. The HST brake just held. The NX - at least how I have HST response set - has virtually 0 HST brake hold. Not sure if I'm even calling that correct thing - "HST brake" - but idling in M and no HST pedal input, it still wants to roll if ground is just very slightly out of level. So it at least has made me aware it is different and my poor habit of hopping off in gear hasn't got me hurt or let tractor roll into something since it nannies me enough to prevent it.

Yeah. That would drive me nuts.
I get the not starting in gear, or with the parking brake off, but shutting off when the driver gets off the seat actually seems like it creates as much potential for accidents as it saves. When working in brush or wooded areas, its pretty common to need to stand up, or even get off the tractor for a second, to assess obstacles or check out the path ahead. Making it inconvenient for the operator to do that seems like an invitation for them to get lazy and "chance it". I like to warm my tractor up before using it, and I use that time to fuel up, grease zerks etc. It would also make installing my backhoe a PITA. I get everything close from the driver's seat, but do the last few inches of alignment alternating between the hoe controls and HST pedals by hand.


Tangent: what's the point of the auto-PTO? Mine has it, but I never use it. In fact, before switching on the PTO, I like to throttle down to idle, and bring the implement up speed slowly. It seems like slamming the PTO on at 2600 RPM would be hard on the PTO, engine, and implement. What am I missing?

 

[CMV]

Tangent: what's the point of the auto-PTO? Mine has it, but I never use it. In fact, before switching on the PTO, I like to throttle down to idle, and bring the implement up speed slowly. It seems like slamming the PTO on at 2600 RPM would be hard on the PTO, engine, and implement. What am I missing?

It doesn't seem to be a real soft start on it, but assume it must be somewhat? The gearboxes on my tiller and bush hog are rated way higher than my PTO HP, so I doubt the auto PTO engaging at high RPM is terrible, but I reduce rpm before lowering when using auto PTO. Don't use it much, and it's a minor convenience feature. Crossing a gravel road bush hogging, coming to end of a row tilling. Just raise 3pt and it cuts off, lower it back, it spins again. But with the electric PTO button, doesn't really save a whole lot. IF anything, I'm more likely to have 3pt raised for a while and forget about it. Then tractor won't start and takes a second to remember PTO still engaged, even though auto PTO has it "off".