thanks art, i knew that new holland made them. i'm looking at a two year old model. i can get it for around 15 thousand. it has a thrower also. it hasen't had many bales through it. we do between 5 and 10 thousand bales a year. how would it compare with my jd 336. should i look at the nh 570 with the heavier driveline, or would i be happy with the 520. where in ny are you? i'm near bainbridge ny.