SCUT big enough?

[Luke'sScreenName]

As far as I can tell nothing you want to do needs a PTO. Buy a used skidsteer with a SSQA backhoe.

 

[oldpilgrim]

A 28-30 hp machine would be much better for your needs.

 

[Poopdeck Pappy]

I'm going to go against the grain and say that a BX25 (or equivalent in a different color) would probably work ok for you. I think a lot of the responders are focused on the 22 acres rather than the tasks you listed. A BX25 (or a used BX23 or BX24) will do what you want; it will just do it more slowly than a larger tractor. But you need to work in a small space in your horse area, and the BX is the most maneuverable size you will find.

Having said that, if I was in your shoes I'd probably be looking at a B-series Kubota (or equivalent in a different color) with a backhoe. They're a little bigger, a little heavier, a little stronger, have more ground clearance and will do the same work a little faster. But they are a little larger and less maneuverable than a BX series tractor, which could be an important factor in your small space.

My best suggestion is to find the closest Home Depot that has a BX25 for rent and go rent it for a day or two. You will find out whether it has enough capability to do the work you need to do.

 

[TullyCreek]

I have seriously considered a skid steer. Haven't found anything worth looking at.

The horse area isn't terribly small. It is a dry lot for a mare who isn't allowed pasture and on a special diet. It is about 50 feet square with a ten foot gate. I can get a bigger tractor in there.

I will need to lift and bury dead sheep on occasion. About once a year. But when I need to do it I must do it NOW. The SCUTs seem to have no problem lifting 600# or so. That would be several sheep! Should be enough for the rocks around here too.

I probably should not have mentioned acreage. It only matter as to how far I need to drive to get to the job what needs doing.

Good idea on ground clearance. Hadn't thought of that. Probably something I could work around, but something to think of.

I like the idea of renting something to test it out. I don't have an appropriate trailer, so would have to source that as well.

Any thoughts on the LS S3010? I also found a listing for a Terramite T5C. Those cant change implements though. Had thought about a post hole unit, but if there is a BH that would work too, just perhaps not as neatly. Don't need too many anymore anyway.

 

[jeff9366]

The two Korean tractor brands with growing national market share and sparkling reviews on T-B-N are LS and Kioti.

RE TERRAMITE: The key part of the tractor is the Three Point Hitch.

I probably should not have mentioned acreage. It only matter as to how far I need to drive to get to the job what needs doing.

Subcompacts have only two speed HST transmissions.

Compact and larger tractors have three speed HST transmissions.

 

[DuckSlayer1017]

I think that LS 3010 would fit your needs well. It is a step up from the bx you were considering but not too big. The price seems very good given it has low hours and a back hoe.

 

[newbury]

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I probably should not have mentioned acreage. It only matter as to how far I need to drive to get to the job what needs doing.

No, acreage is important. It reflects distance to drive which can be the difference in getting the job done in one trip or several.

Good idea on ground clearance. Hadn't thought of that. Probably something I could work around, but something to think of.

VERY IMPORTANT! Especially since the BX's were notorious for breaking a little fan underneath and thus deadlining the tractor.

I like the idea of renting something to test it out. I don't have an appropriate trailer, so would have to source that as well.

Any thoughts on the LS S3010? I also found a listing for a Terramite T5C. Those cant change implements though. Had thought about a post hole unit, but if there is a BH that would work too, just perhaps not as neatly. Don't need too many anymore anyway.

If it's like this one it looks pretty good

Especially with the backhoe already in the package!

 

[4570Man]

I would say no. My L3240 gets worked pretty hard on half that much land. I would hate to be without a backhoe. I have gotten my money worth out of the backhoe several times over. Guys that say you don't need on must like digging through rock hard dirt that is mostly rock with a shovel more than me.

 

[Tompet]

I would say no. My L3240 gets worked pretty hard on half that much land. I would hate to be without a backhoe. I have gotten my money worth out of the backhoe several times over. Guys that say you don't need on must like digging through rock hard dirt that is mostly rock with a shovel more than me.

Agree...maybe look for a used B21 (or a used newer B26) construction TLB. Heavier duty on a small frame.

 

[Poopdeck Pappy]

. . . VERY IMPORTANT! Especially since the BX's were notorious for breaking a little fan underneath and thus deadlining the tractor. . . .

That's a cheap and easy fix. A BXpanded "Under Armor" belly pan is $150 and takes about 5 minutes to install. Problem solved.

 

[Buggs67]

Well, my :2cents: That LS looks good and the price also seems reasonable. I think you need more than a SCUT, minimum CUT. A CK20 (or equivalent) w/BH would probably suffice. I went new because used late model machines are rarer than hen's teeth around here.

And with tractors bigger is better. Also a good local-ish dealer is good.

Good luck.

 

[flusher]

New here.

I'm looking into finally purchasing a tractor for my 22 acres. So far I'm looking at a used BX25. Need a FEL and BH. The terrain can be hard Adobe type soil, and a good portion of the digging will be in an area with large buried rocks near a creekbed. I have been pretty convinced a small tractor is all I need, but I'm concerned about it dealing with the rocks and hard ground. I'm new to the tractor world. Not looking at anything too old as repairing machines is not a strong suit.

Would a tractor with less than 25 HP be strong enough? I know weight would be a consideration. Would the BH add enough weight to matter?

We are in a remote location and travel time makes shopping, testing and such something that can only be done on a limited basis. I want to make any travel count.

I have seen listings for newer BX25, a B20, a new Mahindra 22, LS 3010 and an JD 855. Trying to keep the budget in mind.

My first tractor was a new 2005 Kubota B7510HST (21 hp engine, 17 hp pto, 4WD, hydrostatic tranny, power steering) with the LA302 FEL (4-ft wide bucket, 850 lb lift to about 7.5 ft height). Worked fine for small jobs around my 10 acre place (brush hog mowing with a 4-ft wide mower, light ground work with the FEL, installing landscaping). Cost: $12.6K

It's too small for serious field work (growing hay) so I traded it in for a new 2008 Mahindra 5525 (55 hp engine, 45 hp pto, 2WD, gear tranny, power steering, triple rear hydraulic remotes) with the ML250 FEL (6-ft wide bucket, 2950 lb lift to 10.5 ft, chain hooks, skid steer quick attach option). Cost: $19K.

If I were you, I'd look for a 35-45 hp (engine) tractor with hydrostatic tranny, 4WD, power steering, dual rear hydraulic remotes (triple is better) and an FEL with a 6-ft wide bucket, chain hooks, skid steer quick attach option. Add the backhoe and you're good to go. All the major manufacturers have models with these specs.

Good luck.

 

[check]

My best suggestion is to find the closest Home Depot that has a BX25 for rent and go rent it for a day or two. You will find out whether it has enough capability to do the work you need to do.

Great idea, Poopdeck! And it comes with a trailer so you can just hook up and go.

I have a BX25 on 25 acres and it is enough for me. Also, I would not be without the backhoe - I have it on all summer, and only take it off to put the snow blower on for the winter.

The BX25 is unlike any other SCUT in that it outperforms what you would expect - and by a lot! I was told by dealers that it was made for heavy construction-like work, and it has done very well for me. It also fits nicely in my garage, although you need to make sure you have an extra high OH door so you don't need to fold the ROPS down each time you put it away. (I have 8 ft.)

There are two limitations that have been a bit of a pain for me. The first is the lift capacity. (Only 745 lbs. or so at the pivot pin compared to a whopping 1700 lbs for that LS on the YouTube video.) However, that has only rarely been a serious impediment for me. (I can still fill the FEL to the brim with almost anything, even with the BXpanded.com bucket expander and carry it around, the only exception so far being wet sand.)

And the second is the digging capacity with respect to the backhoe. I have very rocky, sandy soil, and I would never try digging any deep ditch because the rocks would just make it take forever. (I had to dig a 5-foot, 100' long ditch for a new water line a while ago, and I just hired a full-sized backhoe for about $250 to do it.) But in your case, the BX25 backhoe would do just fine digging up to 6' or so, since as you said most of your soil has no rocks.

Another big consideration as was mentioned before is the space for moving around. Do you have the room for a bigger tractor? I have used my BX25 in a lot of tight spaces where it just BARELY fit, and where anything bigger could simply not have done the job.

Again, it would be a great idea to rent a BX25 from Home Depot and try it out. And do keep us posted!

James

 

[DaveNJ]

I second (or third?) the recommendation to rent a BX 25 TLB first. Not so much for the stall area-- I don't think you will find anything better than a BX for that (I've rented them a few times), except maybe an EMAX Mahindra. You need to know if it can do what you need on the 22 acres. If your property has ruts and rocks you will want something with bigger sneakers, like a Kubota B, Kioti CK2510, or LS 2025. As others have noted, there's a big jump in price and tier IV issues after 25 hp.

 

[Mcaveman]

I have a bx25 for my 1 acre lot but it gets works all the time, tilling, aerating , construction projects and snow removal and I would have to say you need bigger than that for 20+ acres. Agreed on renting from depot for a day and see what you think.

 

[Gary Fowler]

I love my B26 that I bought used (only 60 hours) but now after almost 4 years it is pushing 400 hours. Backhoe stays on all time and is used quite frequently. I like the frame size (same as the B2650) because it is very maneuverable, hauls a fair amount of volume and lifts much more. It has no problem with a rounded bucket of wet sand/rocks which I like. I would never pay the $40K price of a new one but if you can find a used one reasonably priced, I would go for it. The track width is less than my Kubota RTV900 so it will get into tight areas. A used B21 or B20 might be a good deal if you can find one in good shape and make sure that if you go with the B26, 21 or 20 that you get the 3 PH with it. I am not sure if the B20 came with PTO and 3 PH though but I am pretty sure the B21 did.

By the way, neighbor came over yesterday and asked if I would come over and dig a hole to put his Great Dane in that passed away. It took me about 5 minutes to dig a 4 foot deep x 4 feet long and 3 wide (just barely large enough for that dog) in like concrete hard soil. He would have been all day and then some doing that.

Backhoes are nice and almost a necessity to have if you have animals.