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[BigBlue1]

You have a different idea of "excellence" than I do. Slow, steady, and precise is the key to reducing accidents of all sorts.

As I said, just because someone "can" do something, that doesn't mean they "should". There is always a chance of something out of the norm that could cause an issue. Going as fast as you "can" go means there is less chance to avoid the 'random somethings' that are out there waiting to cause accidents. People going at it as hard as they can are the entire reason there are accidents.

Where you consider limiting 5MPH while the dump is raised a limitation on people's ability, I consider it something to limit their ability to screw up. Those people are accidents waiting to happen...

You should come to Minnesota. Minnesota LOVES being a nanny state that does everything possible to make sure people don't accidentally do something to harm themselves. On second thought, don't. Because I hate that. Let people behave within their own means. If they create a problem then hold them responsible for exceeding their means & capabilities. Otherwise leave them alone.

Rob

 

[Sysop]

It has nothing to do with being a nanny. It has to do with building machines for the masses that lack common sense. A nanny state would simply outlaw improper equipment operation and use citations as another revenue stream.

As another poster mentioned, the dump that wiped out that foot-bridge is lucky there was nobody crossing it. Causing a problem for a child crossing that bridge is something that should be prevented, rather than dealing with the outcome after the tragedy struck.

Perhaps you like the idea of burying someone's kid and dealing with all of the outcome that goes with it; like I said, you have a different idea of excellence.

 

[Ford850]

This is what the high speed dumps are training for...
Transfer-Dump Race: The Complete Run - YouTube

 

[BigBlue1]

It has nothing to do with being a nanny. It has to do with building machines for the masses that lack common sense. A nanny state would simply outlaw improper equipment operation and use citations as another revenue stream.

As another poster mentioned, the dump that wiped out that foot-bridge is lucky there was nobody crossing it. Causing a problem for a child crossing that bridge is something that should be prevented, rather than dealing with the outcome after the tragedy struck.

Perhaps you like the idea of burying someone's kid and dealing with all of the outcome that goes with it; like I said, you have a different idea of excellence.

No, I like holding people accountable and responsible for their actions. There is no way to prevent people from all the possible things they could do wrong that might hurt someone. So don't try to artificially eliminate them one by one. Make the people aware that if they are not careful they will pay (and pay dearly if they harm someone else) so that they take appropriate care. And, by the way, that "perhaps you like it when someone dies" retort is so very typical of someone trying to use emotion in a disagreement instead of reason. Makes me sad that this is how so many people these days try to make out to be the morally better person in the discussion.

 

[Sysop]

Raised dumps are one of the things that has caused too many accidents over the years. It is about time something gets added besides a light or beeper. Lots of vehicle options are speed limited these days, it isn't much of a stretch to migrate the existing tech to serve this purpose at a low cost.

Accountability is great. How do you feel about neglecting a responsibility? After seeing so many of the same accidents, all done by "professionals", don't we have a responsibility to start trying to limit those accidents?

 

[BigBlue1]

Raised dumps are one of the things that has caused too many accidents over the years. It is about time something gets added besides a light or beeper. Lots of vehicle options are speed limited these days, it isn't much of a stretch to migrate the existing tech to serve this purpose at a low cost.

Accountability is great. How do you feel about neglecting a responsibility? After seeing so many of the same accidents, all done by "professionals", don't we have a responsibility to start trying to limit those accidents?

'Many'? Like a couple per year? I don't think this is a major source of carnage. In the last 5 years can you find an example of an injury (besides the driver) from one such incident? Sure, if it were happening willy nilly all the time I'd say spend some time on education about it. But I'll hazard a guess it isn't widespread.

Rob

 

[flyerdan]

I've got to agree with BK above, I don't understand how someone could not notice that something was amiss by the handling. That, and the much different sight picture in the mirrors, and, assuming that everyone that passed you was a massive thunderclunge and didn't honk and wave to let you know something was bad wrong, the number of smartphone videos of you being taken.

 

[IslandTractor]

Nobody intentionally drives at highway speeds with a dump box raised. An engineering solution is always preferable and makes a lot more sense than ongoing education or post facto punishment. As issues like this arise, it makes sense for manufacturers to engineer preventive measures for next generation vehicles especially since it wouldn't affect normal operations. I doubt anyone spreads gravel at above 30 mph so it shouldn't be hard with electronic engine controls to govern speed when the box is raised.

 

[BigBlue1]

Nobody intentionally drives at highway speeds with a dump box raised. An engineering solution is always preferable and makes a lot more sense than ongoing education or post facto punishment. As issues like this arise, it makes sense for manufacturers to engineer preventive measures for next generation vehicles especially since it wouldn't affect normal operations. I doubt anyone spreads gravel at above 30 mph so it shouldn't be hard with electronic engine controls to govern speed when the box is raised.

Warnings, lights, buzzers, sure. But once you start actively intruding or limiting then you're going to possibly interfere with how someone wants to use their equipment in some atypical fashion. Irritating safety devices are very often intentionally defeated when they get in the way. And yes, 30 mph is probably faster than most people would need. But here in MN our DOT drivers drive at highway speeds dumping sand/salt in the winter. Usually not with the box raised up all the way, of course, but still raised. So where do you draw the line (and set the mechanical limit)? I say stop trying to fix problems that aren't that big of a deal. Again, can you find any incident where someone (other than the driver) was hurt from this in the last five years?

Rob

ETA: And I realize this discussion is somewhat off the topic of the thread so this is my last post on the subject.

 

[Sysop]

Make the system fully configurable by the owner of the vehicle. Let the owner choose the level of speed, amount it can raise before limitations kick in, and whatever other variables there are.

I know there has been at least one other similar instance in the past year on this thread, I remember seeing the posts. You're welcome to do your own research. There are gobs of compilation videos on YouTube showing many instances of the same sort of thing.