Shop heating advice?

   / Shop heating advice?
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#21  
Would it be possible to run lines from your existing boiler to your shop? You can hang a hot water coil fan unit in the shop with no worries associated with combustion type heaters.
A good idea, but not really an option in this case. I'm not up for running a loop 200 feet from the boiler in the basement of the house over to the shop. This is why I'm looking for an independent source of heat for the shop.
 
   / Shop heating advice? #22  
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   / Shop heating advice? #23  
Waste oil furnace parked outside ? Either tube heater + tank with indoor water circulation, or forced air. Brand new from EnergyLogic 75k Btu. $3500. Includes the stack pipes. 0.5 gal/hr. Home Depot sells exact same unit for 4700 new or 4000 refurbished.
 
   / Shop heating advice? #24  
Does anyone have experience heating a woodworking shop with a Rinnai type direct vent propane heater? I'm a bit concerned with how well it would tolerate all of the saw dust in the shop. Seems as though the filter would clog up quickly. I suppose if we mounted it in an easy to access location, we might be able to live with the frequent filter cleanings (assuming she remembers to do it). We have one in a room above our garage that works well, but that is a much clener environment than the workshop.

It's a 24'x26' woodworking shop with 10 ft ceilings. As shops go, it's very well insulated & sealed: 6" sprayed in foam in the walls, 8" in the ceiling, 6" in the floor (a drive-out basement underneath is my shop), double pane windows. We've been heating it "temporarily" for over 8 years now with a couple of space heaters (a 1500 watt "Milkhouse" heater and a 1500 watt oil filled radiator, a little over 5000 BTUs each.) They are a little undersized for the room, It takes forever to warm the place up if we let it get cold, but once up to temperature, those two little heaters can keep it comfortable, even when it's 0˚F out. Maybe a little cool, but good enough for working in. In a pinch, I bring in "Big Buddy" portable propane heater to warm thing up quickly. The Big Buddy has no thermostat nd puts a lot of moisture into the room, so is not a good longer-term solution). These heaters have thermostats, but no scale on them, and the settings are not repeatable (A setting that gets us 55˚ one time is significantly off the next time.)

Judging by the fact that the 10-11,000 BTUs we have now from the space heater is undersized but tolerable, I don't think we need a very large capacity heater.

We're looking for a good long term solution. Some of what we are looking for:
  • Tolerates sawdust without needing to be constantly cleaning filters (occasionally is fine, but if she has to do it every day, thatprobably won't happen)
  • If a combustion type heater, must be vented outside.
  • A thermostat that actually works
  • The ability to set a temperature below 50˚F. We generally leave it in the high 40s when not in use. We could live with a bit higher if we had to, but we really want to keep our energy use down
  • Electric or propane fueled (No kerosene or fuel oil, since nothing else we have runs on that.)
  • Will run unattended for extended periods (we may not be in it for a week or more).
  • Ability to run when electric power is down is a plus, though not mandatory. We can fire up a generator or bring in the portable propane heater if needed for an extended outage.
We considered a heat pump, since they are so efficient, would also provide AC in the summer, and there would be no need to site another fuel tank. A few concerns with that: (1) I have yet to find one that will allow a heating setpoint below about 55˚F. Not sure we really want to keep it that warm all winter long. (2) They do not seem at all tolerant of dirty/high sawdust environments, though I'm not sure about this. (3) The heavy electrical draw would make it tough to keep things above freezing during an extended power outage (though we could fire up the Big Buddy, if we have to.)

I've seen inexpensive ceiling mount propane heaters in some people's garages and shops. Wondering how well they do in a dusty environment. Do they make designs if these that the combustion air and by products are vented outside?

Just saw your old post. Yes, I heat my woodworking shop with that exact heater: a Rennai direct vent propane heater. In fact I also heat my machine shop with one, have one in the great room in our house, and two in our cabins!! Several are over 20 years old with no maintenance so far.
All of them are the exact same Rennai model - the EX22CP.

I find that size to be fine for a 20x20 shop with high ceilings and rather poor insulation at 7000' in the Rockies. I haven't done any special adjustments for using propane vs nat. gas.... or for the altitude. They come with instructions and I know hat That would make them more efficient, but fact is I like the way they work just as supplied. In fact, they are very economica and reliable. Remarkably quiet & efficient heaters
Rennai are expensive, but high quality and safe with dust - a major concern of mine.

If I am going to leave the shop for a few hours or a day, the Rennai has an "eco thermostatic cycle" which lets the shop cool down a few degrees below set point before turning on again.

After a lifetime of shop work, I find that I am slightly allergic to some sawdusts. So I sweep or vacuum once or twice lightly during the work day. The heater sits on the floor and I try to clean out the intake filter after every week's work - you can hear it sort of whistle when it begins to clog, and a red light comes on the dashboard to remind you it needs cleaning. They must handle sawdust well, as I am forgetful about the filter....

Alll in all they are super nice heaters. We have even given a few away as presents.
enjoy,
rScotty
 
   / Shop heating advice? #25  
I use a mini split, I run dust collection. Clean it yearly, it is no more dirty than the one in the metal shop. I need heat and ac, keep it set at maybe 60

 
   / Shop heating advice?
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#26  
I use a mini split, I run dust collection. Clean it yearly, it is no more dirty than the one in the metal shop. I need heat and ac, keep it set at maybe 60

Our shop might have looked that clean the day after we finished building it. It hasn't come close since.
 
   / Shop heating advice? #27  
Good thread, I just built a 48x32 shop and need to figure out heat and AC. I have blown in insulation in the ceiling and 2” foam on the walls. Don’t do much woodworking, mostly restoring old vehicles so sawdust won’t be a big problem.

Thinking mini split but not sure the heat would keep up when it’s really cold. My painter just put a heater in his shop that uses used oil and it seems to work pretty well. We also have propane at the house so could get another tank at the shop and have it filled on the same schedule.
 
   / Shop heating advice? #28  
Our shop might have looked that clean the day after we finished building it. It hasn't come close since.

I dunno, some chips on the floor to the left. I’ll get the broom!
 

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