Shop Smith

[tow653]

Thinking of getting a Mark V,anyone have experience with them? Thanks,Tim

 

[jlawso21]

I have experience with them. They are good tools with a bad name. As long as you don't expect too much they are great. Best use is 1. drill press, excellent. 2. Lathe, very good to excellent. 3. Horizontal boring, excellent. It works ok as a tablesaw, but for a machine that gets used a lot in this function, this is it's weakest part.

The best shopsmith is the older one, the 10ER, it has more cast iron and its a little more precise, but it does not have variable speed unless you find one with this option. For someone starting woodworking these are great machines.

Last, and most important, don't pay more than $300-500 for one with all the pieces. With a bandsaw pay a little more

 

[ultrarunner]

My elderly neighbor built his entire shop plus many other things around the house with his...

He passed a few years ago and I was recently over visiting and asked his son what happened to all of his father's tools... said they hauled it all off for scrap.

I can see my neighbor rolling in his grave... he loved that Shopsmith and did a lot of work with it... also wasn't exactly cheap to buy new.

 

[turnkey4099]

My elderly neighbor built his entire shop plus many other things around the house with his...

He passed a few years ago and I was recently over visiting and asked his son what happened to all of his father's tools... said they hauled it all off for scrap.

I can see my neighbor rolling in his grave... he loved that Shopsmith and did a lot of work with it... also wasn't exactly cheap to buy new.

I have one in my shed. One of the very original ones but I don't know the number and the shed is snowed in now. Do have a few of the tools for it, mostly the lathe and saw head/table. Just in the way and is free to anyone who wants to haul it off.
Harry K

 

[randy41]

i have one. a good choice if you need all those tools and have little space. the tilting table saw is not as good as a tilting arbor saw.

 

[4570Man]

The table saw sucks and is down right dangerous. The bandsaw is awful ( how good can a 12" bandsaw be ? ). The lathe is alright, but not even close to up to snuff with my Powermatic 3520. The belt sander is decent. The drill press is pretty good.

 

[C4Ranch]

I have experience with them. They are good tools with a bad name. As long as you don't expect too much they are great. Best use is 1. drill press, excellent. 2. Lathe, very good to excellent. 3. Horizontal boring, excellent. It works ok as a tablesaw, but for a machine that gets used a lot in this function, this is it's weakest part.

The best shopsmith is the older one, the 10ER, it has more cast iron and its a little more precise, but it does not have variable speed unless you find one with this option. For someone starting woodworking these are great machines.

Last, and most important, don't pay more than $300-500 for one with all the pieces. With a bandsaw pay a little more

This.... My dad has one and ive used it growing up. The great thing for drill press is you can adjust speed with turn of a dial... No belts.

 

[PHPaul]

I bought one new in 1982 when I was in the Navy and had NO room. It was perfect in that respect. Everything I needed to do respectable, if not professional, woodworking in a very small footprint.

Bear in mind that no tool designed to do everything does any one thing especially well.

I still have mine and use the bandsaw and disc sander pretty regularly. Also use the lathe, but I don't often have need to turn things.

Now that I have a permanent shop, I have a dedicated table saw, chop saw and drill press so I never use those functions on the ol' Mark V, but for as little room as it takes up, I'll keep it just for the bandsaw, lathe and disc sander functions.

As someone else stated, they're all over Craigslist for around $500, no need to pay more for one.

 

[sseelhoff]

I have never heard of these before. Now I want one. This would be perfect for building jumps for the riding arena.

 

[teejk]

I bought one new in 1982 when I was in the Navy and had NO room. It was perfect in that respect. Everything I needed to do respectable, if not professional, woodworking in a very small footprint.

Bear in mind that no tool designed to do everything does any one thing especially well.

I still have mine and use the bandsaw and disc sander pretty regularly. Also use the lathe, but I don't often have need to turn things.

Now that I have a permanent shop, I have a dedicated table saw, chop saw and drill press so I never use those functions on the ol' Mark V, but for as little room as it takes up, I'll keep it just for the bandsaw, lathe and disc sander functions.

As someone else stated, they're all over Craigslist for around $500, no need to pay more for one.

As a kid I thought it would be neat to own (I think they used to run ads in the Sunday "Parade" newspaper supplement next to that "zosia grass guy). But as you said the "do it all" functionality comes with drawbacks...switching between functions takes some time and I'm sure repeated switching affects the alignment (not unlike the old Craftsman radial arm saws...constant "tuning"). I worked with a guy that owned one and he loved it but he was never in a rush to finish anything and liked the "tuning" part.

 

[dragoneggs]

I always wanted one because of all it can do in a small space. Now I am so glad I didn't make the purchase after years of building out my shop and acquiring dedicated tools. It works for small projects and small materials. Played with one a couple times and they just are not very fun to use on big stuff. I definitely didn't like the tablesaw. If you have room I recommend you buy a decent tables and go from there with other dedicated tools as you need them. Planer, jointer, drill press, compound mitre saw if you are targeting wood.

 

[RSKY]

My wife had a cousin in Louisville who had two or three ShopSmiths in his wood shop.

He was completely blind!

Scary feeling to walk into his shop and hear a saw cutting wood and the lights off. He tuned pianos for a living, also taught piano tuning at the Ky Blind School. If he needed a wooden part he would make it.

Watched him several times and what amazed me was that he had a set procedure for doing everything. No shortcuts, no hurry, might take thirty minutes to make one cut.

Amazing!

RSKY

 

[dragoneggs]

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My wife had a cousin in Louisville who had two or three ShopSmiths in his wood shop.

He was completely blind!

Scary feeling to walk into his shop and hear a saw cutting wood and the lights off. He tuned pianos for a living, also taught piano tuning at the Ky Blind School. If he needed a wooden part he would make it.

Watched him several times and what amazed me was that he had a set procedure for doing everything. No shortcuts, no hurry, might take thirty minutes to make one cut.

Amazing!

RSKY

Very cool. Would be an interesting episode on a DIY show.

 

[Code54]

I have one and like it. Not the greatest tool for everything but it will do everything I need in a very small package. I mainly work with metal but sometimes do some woodwork so it is great for that. Many many years ago I went with my father to a shop smith school (3 day) in Ohio and learned the machine. I think I was maybe 11, to this day I still am able recall the course and use what they taught us.

 

[Threepoint]

OP, what projects do you think you'll want to use for? How much space do you have for dedicated bench tools? If you're hoping to do fine woodworking, a Shopsmith can certainly do it, but IMO that's because the skill is in the woodworker, not the tool. I have a friend who made a lovely dining table and chair set on a Mark IV (V?), before he could afford a full shop of dedicated tools. That said, constantly having to change things around to use the various tools will get old real fast if you're trying to do very much and don't have a great deal of patience. Several decades ago, Shopsmiths were the rage. Not so much, now, as the listings on CL suggest. Reasonably priced bench machines from Asia make it much easier to fit up a very serviceable shop of dedicated tools these days, if you have the space.

 

[HCJtractor]

I had my shop in a tiny basement. But I had a small cabinet table saw, a planer/jointer combination, a sliding compound miter saw, and drill press, and a small band saw. I could not handle full sheets of ply, and was limited to 8 foot boards. But in that shop I could do any fine woodworking project. So I know you can over come a small space. From what I've seen of a Shopsmith, every function would be inferior to what I had. Every task would be a compromise over a dedicated tool. The switching of functions would limit your productivity and speed enormously. I would never consider one. Yes with patience you could slowly generate a project, but if at all possible, go with dedicated tools. The most important is a good tablesaw and accurate fence. Start there.

What are you planning to build? That matters in your selection.

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[Walt 2002]

"Bear in mind that no tool designed to do everything does any one thing especially well."

Good advice, my advice is get individual tools if you have room then you won"t constantly be spending your time changing from one thing to another.

Walt Conner

 

[dragoneggs]

"Bear in mind that no tool designed to do everything does any one thing especially well."

Good advice, my advice is get individual tools if you have room then you won"t constantly be spending your time changing from one thing to another.

Walt Conner

This is so true both on changing/monkeying around and precision.

 

[Code54]

"Bear in mind that no tool designed to do everything does any one thing especially well."

Good advice, my advice is get individual tools if you have room then you won"t constantly be spending your time changing from one thing to another.

Walt Conner

While this is true you need to figure out if you are going to use it a lot or a little. I do two or three things a year where I use my ShopSmith - it is perfect for that. Could I buy a nice table saw, better jointer, better lathe - yep but then I would need to park my new truck and side by sides outside and have them sitting in the weather so I would have room for a wood shop I use 8 hours a year.
Just depends on your plans and what YOU really need. If you are starting a cabinet shop it is one thing, if you are going to rip a board and drill a hole here and there it is entirely another.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

If you are starting a cabinet shop it is one thing, if you are going to rip a board and drill a hole here and there it is entirely another.

Thing is, lots of us are in between those two!

And, it's a PITA to want to use the band saw to make "a" cut one day, then use the table saw for a cut the next day... It's just too much time monkeying around to do a set up for one cut... OR having to go back to a tool, because you forgot to do a cut on what ever you are making.

AT LEAST that's where I find myself...

SR