Shouldn't Manufactures be Members?

   / Shouldn't Manufactures be Members? #11  
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Many of our industries are suffering from the school systems closing the Industrial Arts classes (shop class when I took it). That is a real problem with the furniture industry, and I suspect one of the problems getting mechanics involved.

Other countries split technical training programs from a 'college' orientation early in the students school years. Some have trained operators of equipment coming out of HS levels ready to go to work.

We are not doing our country favors when we miss opportunities to train our students for a career. We let too many things get in their way, IMO.
 
   / Shouldn't Manufactures be Members? #12  
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I'm sure there are lots of dealers and techs that post here. We seem to be able to figure out who they are sooner or later. But Manufacurers.....?? I doubt if any of them will ever post if they ever register. They don't want the flaming messages and PM's when something goes wrong /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif. I'm sure they read the posts though. At least someone in the chain does.
 
   / Shouldn't Manufactures be Members? #13  
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The only mfg that I see post on TBN is on the PT board below. Jack Robin of Robin engines posts sometimes. Here is an example why perhaps more do not.

web page

Perhaps some of the guys that own PT with Robin engines can let us know if they value his comments, I think they do. He has 54 posts since 11/03.
 
   / Shouldn't Manufactures be Members? #14  
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I can't be sure, but i will bet that ALL THE MANUFACTURES have someone read these post. They must know that this is the most popular tractor site on the net. actually i don't care if they respond (probably would not beleive them anyhow) just so they read AND listen to what we have to say about thier products.
 
   / Shouldn't Manufactures be Members? #15  
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<font color="blue"> So my question is should manufactures be members.</font>
Should they? Yes. But there'd have to be a method for determining they are actually representatives of the manufacturers. The existing registration process would not be sufficient.

Handing out advice, instructions, comments, etc. on a public forum where they (the manufacturer) does not own the site could open up a whole can of liability issues. I can not imagine the legal department at any major manufacturer officially approving this.

Finally, there's no simple way of absolutely identifying anyone on a public forum, e.g., determining if someone has a financial interest in what they post. All you can do is read what they post and draw your own conclusions.
 
   / Shouldn't Manufactures be Members? #16  
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thcri,
It would be nice if more dealers paid closer attention to details posted here.
It seems like most of the complaints with the new equipment - </font><font color="blue" class="small">( Wheels on backwards, lug nuts loose, hydraulics leaking, loose wires, etc. )</font> -
are the dealer's responsiblity before delivery.
Even if the manufacturers are listening, there's quite a ways between them and the dealers that useful ideas picked up here can get watered down and/or forgotten about before things get to the dealers. Even simple things like internal politics can get in the way of information gleaned here long before it gets to where the buying public can reap any benefit.
Just my $0.02.
 
   / Shouldn't Manufactures be Members? #17  
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Murph, one of my local dealers mentioned to me one day that he is having a terrible time getting qualified mechanics to work on tractors, seems no one wants to do this stuff anymore and those that do, go to the auto industry where training on higher tech equipment and consequently a commensurate pay increase are typically the norm. Here I was just a tractor shopper at his place and he asked me if I could come in on weekends and assemble the crated tractors for me. He would have even sold me my Kubota crated he was that out of labor to help. Point is, I'm sure that many of these places would love better help, but thats what we are seeing all across the country. To get better help requires more pay and now adays, benefits better be part of the package or folks aren't interested. It's become a vicious circle with no end in site.
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RaT,
That dealer is showing poor tact to try to get a customer involved like that. I've been to several dealers where you'll see employees just standing around. These may be the types that are only going to work just enough to not get canned. It would be nice if every employee (from the manufacturer to the dealer) performed their job with a true passion for the job. As though it were their pride and not just a 40 hour/week deadend job.
 
   / Shouldn't Manufactures be Members? #18  
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A friend of mine works for John Deere in the marketing dept., and I know he is not a member, but does frequently read the posts. I would bet that all brands monitor this site on a regular basis. However, I don't think a single post on an issue or even several pull much weight. I have participated in equipment marketing surveys and have even done some product testing, and from my experience they like to do things in a very methodical manner and in controlled environments. Random experiences aren't likely to change a product line.
 
   / Shouldn't Manufactures be Members? #19  
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I suspect that lots of the manufacturer's employees read this site, but few, if any, will ever post. The reason is that most of those employees probably like thier jobs. They can't go on this website and give out information for several reasons. First being that whatever they posted on this website would become "factual" information, and would constantly be referred to as "so-and-so from John Deere said xxxxxx". Then when someone higher up at JD said "no", there would be a big problem and fire fighting to keep down the negative impact resulting from the apparent change of plans. Second, when you work on something for a living, that last thing you want to do is debate or argue about it with someone who has no idea how it actually works. Not to belittle the membership here with this statement, but that's just the way it is. Third, if someone identified themselves as an employee of a large Ag manufacturer, they would probably get lots complaints like "why did you do this", "why did you do that", don't you know anything", etc.

How do I know this? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Well, because, I run the USA based mechanical engineering dept for a large, international, marine electronics manufacturer. I go on the boating and fishing websites regularly to see what's going on, and what people like, and what they think of the products I'm responsible for, etc. These types of websites are good for getting some field data on actual performance and whether or not the product is doing what I intended it to do. However, alot of the good info is drown out in a sea of misinformation that is broadcast by those who are armed with opinion, rather than fact. You will get two people arguing different opinions on how a piece of equipment works, and both of them wrong. I used to try to nicely offer an explanation on how the item they are debating actually works, but normally that just got me flamed for something or another because I had the "gall" to question the "elder member's" experience. Well, I designed the product they were arguing about, so quite frankly, I DO know more about it then they ever will. LOL. I just won't get into the middle of those debates anymore, and as an employee, you cannot let those debates become a matter of pride and then offend everyone and hurt your employer's reputation. Often on those sites I will now post generic tech information, like answering NMEA type questions or explaining test specifications (IPX, JIS, CFR), etc. I don't touch the "why my Furuno is better than your Simrad" type threads (I don't work for either of those companies I just mentioned). Also, one really good aspect of these websites are when a user has a very specific problem related to one of my products, and they post about it on the internet, I can call my warranty dept on the phone and say "yeah, someone fron ______ sent in an ______ a couple days ago, and the problem seems kind of wierd because I've never seen it before, can you figure out which unit it is based on the problem description and vague customer info and send that unit to me, I want to take it apart". My engineering group does this somewhat often. Typically the customer just gets a brand new unit sent to them as a replacement, the customer is happy to have a new unit, and we identify either an anomoly or a legitimate problem which can be fixed.

Anyway, I guess I'm rambling now.
 
   / Shouldn't Manufactures be Members? #20  
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Great info, Jared. Sounds like you handle things just right.
 

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