Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns?

   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #81  
I'm not sorry I spent $6000 on a mower. It sits all winter. I get onto it, start it, grease it and go mowing. I don't have to take it to a shop for anything in spring. I just get on it a go mowing.

There's a reason that the only motor I own with a carburetor is the 1947 IHC KB-1 that I learned to drive in as a kid. If that truck didn't have sentimental value it would be gone beause carburators and gas engines are a pain.
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #82  
Ive had an old craftsman that I have cleared a lot of land with over the last twenty years. Ive saved enough money on oil changes to pay for it, because I have never changed it. I mow about seven acres or so. But not all of it every time. Then, when grass is gone, drop the deck. I put a gun holder on the deck height adjustment lever and I have a four wheeler. I also have a 5x10 trailer I pull to cut wood. I made a hitch for it that is the same height as my truck, makes it easier to pull regular trailers. I have a little trailer I use when i change an engine in my shop. I can put the replacement on the trailer. After i pull the bad engine, i back this engine uo to A frame and hang both on hoist. Then after I swap all the doo dads over, I put old engine on trailer and install good one. I work alone, so I have to be resourceful.
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #83  
I'm not sorry I spent $6000 on a mower. It sits all winter. I get onto it, start it, grease it and go mowing. I don't have to take it to a shop for anything in spring. I just get on it a go mowing.

There's a reason that the only motor I own with a carburetor is the 1947 IHC KB-1 that I learned to drive in as a kid. If that truck didn't have sentimental value it would be gone beause carburators and gas engines are a pain.
Same is true for my 1951 8N Ford, which I don't even use!
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #84  
I felt that way myself believe me it's not easy to spend this kind of money for a mower. My Craftsman t3000 is made by Husqvarna it's literally the worst piece of junk and it's constantly breaking. The first year and every subsequent year it has to go back to the local small engine repair shop constantly. My time is simply too valuable to be working on this stuff myself I'm too busy to dedicate hours on my weekends repairing CVT linkages or trying to fix the drive system on these cheap mowers
Husqvarna made that craftsman to craftsman specs, not to Husky specs. And neither one made the engine, I suspect it was a Briggs.

The engine on my John Deere rider is a Briggs.

Most brands of riding mowers are made by MTD with John Deere and Husky being rare exceptions. Look it up. Zero Turns are more diverse but many of the household names, including Cub Cadet, have been bought up by MTD and others. Gravely is now Ariens, I think.

Any more, if Deere puts their name on it, they make it themselves.

Husqvarna? I don't know. I've heard good and I've heard bad. Mine has a Kawasaki engine. I've heard some not-real-flattering thinsg said about Kohler; and Briggs..... Well, they're Briggs. Not bad, not great. But they do have high and low end machines. I had a Briggs on a Craftsman rider that lasted me 15 years and is still running strong at my Buddy's 5 years after I gave it to him.

And cutting the grass in Florida is 12 Months out of the year. In rainy season, the grass can grow like you wouldn't believe. Sometimes you gotta set the deck on its highest level to get through it. Or near it.
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #85  
I use to feel the same way. I had a flat small lawn and one of those $1000 MTD specials (Wheel Horse). When I moved and tried mowing a larger lawn with hills I found out why they called it a "Super Bronco". When the cra**y brakes don't work because grease leaks out of the gear box, Yee Haw, hang on because it'll be a wild ride. I thought that the Kohler Courage engine should be good but nope. I got one of the better ones. A coworker had his block split. You can see a video of someone else who had the same problem running on YouTube. The drive system was great and junk. The variable speed is a reeves belt system and was better than any HST I've used. But it was mated to a gear box for forward and reverse that would never fully shift into gear and on occasion would pop out.

A ZT would work on my hills so I found a less than a year old JD X500. Sorry to all you doubters but it's like someone saying "All you need is a Yugo. You can feel the difference. I can't say I was a fan of green paint but the few odd things that came up (the steering wheel cracked and some idiot put a strap across the seat to hold it down on a trailer and ripped it before I bought it) the local dealer fixed without a fuss under warranty. I'll keep it for a few more years and then replace it (most likely with another Deere).

The problem with zero turns is that the nice ones are normally bought by lawn care guys. They use them hard. When they sell them they look like they've had a hard life. Those who buy the nice ones for their house usually keep them a very long time. So the used market is slim pickings. The good news is if you do sell it down the road it'll get snapped up quickly and fetch good money.
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #87  
Paul,

I should have done it this way /sarcasm/. ;-)

I'm actually pretty good with tools and don't break them or what I'm working on. I've successfully fixed mechanical watches, pocket watches, quartz watches, 400 day clocks, computers, TVs, radios, HiFi equipment, wired entire buildings, fixed uncounted modern and antique motorcycles and cars, a few airplanes (including a brake job on a real, actual four engine DC-7, no less than 168 brake pucks), computers, hotrods, drag bikes, classic cars, exotic cars, built a working EFI system from parts, firearms, cell phones, well pumps, air conditioners, appliances, lawn mowers, the Kubota, and that cursed Husqvarna. Sometimes I scare myself with all the stuff I've fixed. 99% of the time, what I fix stays fixed and works properly happily ever after.

My "workshop" is 4,500 sf, concrete floor, lights, power, cube fridge and a 10 by 40 bifold door (it is an aircraft hangar, I tell my wife it is the world's second largest shoe closet, and she's happy).

Tools - everything imaginable. And more. Often in duplicate or even triplicate. And I really do know how to use them properly, I used to teach in a vocational school. Dedicated tool chests for each function, one for electronics tools, one for aircraft sheet metal tools, one for air tools, etc. I also discovered I have gas welding equipment, a MIG welder and two arc welders. (My name is Mike and I have REALLY, REALLY GOT to stop acquiring tools!)


The problem with the Husqvarna is that it refuses to STAY fixed. It is like trying to patch a spider web. All the old stuff breaks again and again, and then new stuff also breaks. I guess it was built on a Friday afternoon before a major holiday or on a Tuesday after that major holiday, and the hangovers weren't gone yet. Either that, or it is possessed by evil spirits or demons and I shall get to choose between having it exorcised or driving a stake through its heart. I think it knows I am seriously beginning to hate it and come high noon at the OK Corral, *I* am going to be the winner, not it.

Speaking of abusing tools, one of the other instructors once caught a student using a micrometer as a 10mm open end wrench. The instructor was 6'4" and admitted to 350 pounds (think big, badass biker, beard, tattoos and all). He grabbed the 90 pound student's wrist, splayed the kid's fingers out on the table and with an evil grin told the kid to "pick a finger".

Not having much choice, he did. Evil Instructor said "I caught you using a micrometer for an open end wrench. Pick the finger you want me to cut off. You'll never get to do it again."

The kid fainted . . .

After he came to, he ran to the director of education and complained. The D of E called in the instructor, closed the door and told him it was probably the funniest thing he had ever heard but please don't do it again because we don't want to get sued.

Best,

Mike/Florida
I should have never said a word.

Today while the nephew was running it she sputtered and shut down.
Fortunately it wasn’t a big deal it seems the carb finally got some crap in it and flooded it while he was cutting in a pretty bouncy area. About an hour to clean everything up and get it fired up again for him.
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #88  
I ended up getting a good deal on a Scag liberty z 61" with Kohler 7000 26hp engine and the zt-3100 hydros
It doesn't count unless you add pictures. ;) :giggle:

Also, you should probably see a doctor about your user name. :ROFLMAO:
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #89  
I would heartily endorse a used John Deere, but only if its one of their top tier garden tractors. I found a mid-2000s GX335 for $1800 that I jumped on earlier this spring. With ~1250 hours, it's a little well used, but fires right up and mows strong all day. Rear diff lock, hydraulic deck lift and power steering are super nice. Big rear tires smooth the ride and the K71 trans is butter smooth back and forth, and scoots up to 7 mph.

I found out that I have too many narrow trails and sneaky stumps though, I blew the bagger impeller off the side of the 54C mower deck real quick, doh.
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #90  
Google says;
Where are John Deere tractors manufactured at?
Where are John Deere tractors built? John Deere has kept its roots in the United States. The world headquarters is in Moline, Illinois, USA. The company continues to make tractors of various different types at factories in four US states: Georgia, Tennessee, Iowa and Wisconsin. Jun 24, 2020

Garden tractors are made in Horicon, WI, but the cheapy box store types moved to Greenville TB, maybe 30+years ago leaving the bigger GT up to 26 HP diesels in Horicon. No idea where Z turns are made.
Want to know where that JD is made ? Look on the tags / stamps on your tractors. Google may get an embarrassing expression of it were human.
 
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   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #92  
Good luck with it and give us updates when you've used it for a while.
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #93  
Nice! I’m sort of surprised it doesn’t have a ROPS in it...
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #94  
Looks great! Good luck with it.

Not a fan of Kohler engines. Haven't owned any for any period of time but have seen some die an early death.

Before I bought my F725 John Deere I looked at a commercial grade zero turn (can't remember brand) that had a big Kohler engine. Fortunately the guy had some uncut grass for me to try it in. When it started to cut it bogged down and started smoking.

Every now and then I will pick up a free or cheap mower I will fix up and flip. Bought a Troy-Bilt Horse last week with a 22 hp Kohler that is probably going to bite me. The plug was oil fouled. After I got it all cleaned up and running it will mow about 15 minutes and shut down. It is obviously over heating even after I removed the shroud and cleaned the engine. The carb still needs cleaning so I hope it's just a lean condition.
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #95  
My exmark has a Kohler on it, no issues so far, almost 400 hours on it. I wouldn’t sweat it
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #96  
Nice! Congrats!

Mike
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #97  
Big box mowers . . .

Bought a brand new Husqvarna 46" riding mower/garden tractor from Lowes in 2011 or early 2012. It has a Kohler "Cowardice" engine, excuse me Kohler "Courage" engine. It currently has 202 hours on it, I don't use it particularly hard, it is maintained according to the schedule, and the area I mow is fairly smooth, no rocks, rebars, cement blocks, etc. This mower should be living the life of Reilly, right?

Well, not exactly.

Understand that I'm 74, and have owned and worked on over 150 cars since I was 16 - all kinds of stuff, ridiculous to the sublime, Porsches, nine Jaguars (I learn, slowly, but I do learn), Mercedes (old and new), Lotus Elan (!), Volvo, Fiat, MG, El Camino, Ford, Chevvy, the list goes on and on, also uncounted motorcycles, a three boats (ugh), a couple of airplanes, a tractor and more AND a 4,500 sf building chock full of tools which I have a pretty good idea of how to use and I've taught in trade schools and publish technical books on airplanes and motorcycles, so I have a pretty good idea of which end of a screwdriver to hammer on, and I take care of stuff - good care.

This Husqvarna perfectly fits the description of "Designed by morons, assembled by chimpanzees, sold by charlatans" and the last part is "to fools", and I evidently have to plead guilty. This mower is the worst, least reliable, crankiest, all-around vilest piece of vehicular garbage it has ever been my displeasure to be afflicted with.

Optional sunshade didn't fit, it sagged down over my eyes in ten minutes, bracing it and making sure the hardware was correct and correctly installed made no difference. It was only $60, Lowes was far away, it wasn't worth fighting over.

Both aluminum blade spindles broke - fixed under warranty by dealer (30 miles away).

Anti-vibration straps on hood fell off. I left them off and took the hood off for better visibility and for better service access, which I have needed a LOT.

The gas tank filler is partially blocked by the cowling. You are WELL advised to let the engine cool completely before attempting to fill the gas tank because it is almost impossible to refuel without splashing fuel on the hot engine. The tank itself is opaque plastic so you never know the fuel level unless you check constantly or it overflows on being filled. Talk about dumb design . . .

Two welds on the mower deck broke, dropping it to the ground. Fixed under warranty by same dealer.

Pulley bolt on the deck worked loose (evidently never tightened), ruined the drive belt. Replaced with decent quality hardware, the OEM bolt was as soft as butter. If there is such a thing as a Grade Zero bolt, this is it. You could practically squeeze it gently and leave fingerprints in the metal.

Both front tires dry rotted. Husqvarna supplied inner tubes under "We're doing you a favor" warranty program. (That was inside of six months from date of purchase.) Got the usual "Gee, we've never seen that before" line of BS from them before they asked for my shipping address,

Steering spindles loose, mower steered about as well as an epileptic spider on roller skates on ice. Shimmed with washers, now it more or less goes where I want it to. It'll never be a sports car, but at least now it will go in a straight line. Almost. Sometimes.

Oil quick-drain loose, it was less than two turns from falling out, which would have poured hot oil on my left foot and blown the engine because ALL the oil would have been on my left foot and none left in the crankcase. Teflon tape, tightened and safety wired, so that should be the end of that issue.

Deck baffles vibrated apart, locked up the mower and bent a blade. Not once, but twice. Fortunately, these are on eBay for $12 or so and I'm getting good at changing them. I am also keeping a spare on the shelf, I *KNOW* I'll need it sooner or later.

Muffler vibrated apart - replaced. 135 hours.

Carb rebuilt twice in 200 hours, still ran like warmed over cr*p. Finally bought a replacement carb (eBay again) for about 1/5 of what the dealer wanted, discovered that the intake manifold gasket under the carb spacer (which is why I didn't catch it on the two rebuilds) was installed folded from the factory and there was a big air leak in the intake tract, which MIGHT explain why the mower always ran lean, stank of gas, started hard, backfired and seemed to lack power. After 200 hours of ownership, now it seems to run at least decently. (Keeping fingers crossed.)

One of the carb rebuilds was prompted by large clouds of white smoke from the exhaust, it seems the float sank and filled the crankcase with gasoline. Drained and refilled everything, the carb kit had two different length needle valves with no instructions or any way to tell which was which. Took a chance, at least it didn't run any worse, so evidently I guessed right.

FOUR batteries so far, it needs a new one every 24 to 30 months, mower is stored inside, never gets cold, and on a charge maintainer. Good old WalMart, $27 a pop, at least they are close.

Deck washout plug broke off/fell apart, evidently from the extreme stress of being exposed to sunlight. Replaced.

Slap it together and get it out the door. Lowes' warranty is (or was, it is long expired) "Bring it here, we'll get back to you within six to eight weeks, it could be more."

I've had old, tired 50's vintage Fiats that ran better and were more dependable than this Husqvarna mower, and that should tell us something.

I'm now mowing with the Kubota, and there is a zero-turn mower in our future, which is why I'm reading this thread. The Husqvarna is going to be used as an aircraft tug, we'll see if it likes that better. Or maybe I'll just blow it up and claim it as a casualty loss.

Friends don't let friends buy Husqvarna garden tractors.

Best Regards,

Mike/Florida
I liked your post...tells t like it is....sometimes what we buy is just plain garbage..sad. I have a John Deere La105 and a L118 riding mowers and I have spent way too much time repairing them. My best investment has been my welder. I've had to rebuild and re-weld the decks of these mowers many times. Both leaked oil. The L118 caught on fire and we had a nice fire in the field....this is when I made the rule that I should never park a hot lawn mower in the barn...always cool it off forest...OUTSIDE. I too, am to handy...can fix almost anything...have had Porsches, motorcycles, trucks, cars, and many tractors. I sometimes think it is easier to replace a troubled engine then spend the time repairing it...even if you have the tools and know how.
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #98  
I do not know if there are many around your area but a Deines is a very heavy duty durable zero turn. Since they are not real popular the used price is usually pretty cheap. A few years ago I was looking to upgrade my 1860KT 60" to 72" deck with double rear wheel, electric deck lift, and spring seat. I found a 2005 2072 model for $1700 with an almost new motor in it.

The thing I like about them is that they are tough and durable and you can do your own maintenance - there is nothing special built on them. The chains, belts, blades, etc. I can get anywhere, Kohler engines are pretty common. The Eaton hydros are very common and what is used in some very expensive models. Basically - other than the motor and hydros everything is off the shelf.

The other side is I bought my first one in 97 and other than batteries, tires, blades and oil and filter I did not buy any parts for it until 2017 when I had to put a drive belt on it. Built tough and durable and not real common.
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #99  
HI I would stay away from cub cadets that are around 8-10 years old IMHO. When i kept trying to figure out why my 5000$ zero turn would start slowing down and making noise after mowing for a couple of hours I went on line and discovered class action law suit to recover wasted money on cadets because they used inferior chinese metal on the transmissions and when overheated failed to operate at normal specs.
Of course i got nothing from the class action suit and gave the mower to a friend who likes to fix them. Just thought i would share...all that said i just bought a new kubota Z420 and while it is rugged and i like it. I have had problems with simple items like switches and pulleys. Hope it helps someone.
 
   / Sick of cheap box store riding mowers. 1500-3k budget used zero turns? #100  
one more thing I guess most everyone knows...Murray MTD makes all those parts for almost every one of those mowers. I am surprized they dont make oem for Kubota. I wonder if they make the whole deck as well on those big box store mowers. My JD 110 keeps needing replacing of parts but i have used Jacks small engines for years for oem parts and it is still going strong.
 

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