Sicklebar mower

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patrickg

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Well It seems, if not Christmas, at least my sickle bar mower finally arrived. It mfg tag is clear on the model number. It says, 505. So apparently there is a Ford 505 mower. It has no Pitman arm. I hooked it up in the hay barn for a test. It sure runs smooth and quiet--- B U T--- there is a cable with a tension adjustment that looks to control the angle of the dangle on the blade. It is runs around a swivel block to xxx. There is my problem. One end of the cable is secured and the other has an eye splice with a thimble around a big eye bolt that isn't bolted to anything.

So if any of you guys know where the other end is supposed to go, I'd sure appreciate hearing about it. It looks as if sometime in the future I could add a hydraulic cylinder to be powered by my rear remote to adjust the sicklebar angle up and down but wold just like to be able to do it the original way, whatever that is.

Patrick
 
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I'm not sure. Are you sure it's factory and not something the last owner cobbled together? There's a guy on eBay who bought all of an ex-dealer's manuals. Do a search and see if you can find an operators and a parts manual for your sickle bar. That will tell you for sure as well as help in the future.

I'd look for a hole/holes on the bar that the eyebolt would fit.
 
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Darren, Your skepticism is appreciated and welcomed. It is good to not be too easily convinced of something you have reason to doubt. Here is the first hand evidence I have. There is a very authentic looking metal manufacturer's tag/label riveted onto a substantial piece of the mower. It clearly shows wear and doesn't look like it is something new added on lately. Of course it could be faked but to what end? If you were going to put a fake tag on something to try to pass it off as something it wasn't, wouldn't you give it the model number of a popular well known easily recognized implement, especially if you were offering it through eBay (where it was headed if I didn't take it)? The tag clearly shows Ford 505. I looked carefully to see if it could have been 1505 or something else but partially obsured by wear/damage/whatever. Looks like it has always said Ford 505. Until or unless I find good info to the contrary, like a knowledgeable Ford/New Holland expert/dealer/mechanic/collector/whatever I will consider it a Ford 505 and try to find instructon and repair/parts manuals for it.

All the parts fit well together and it works fine (except for my ignorance regarding the cable anchoring). There are a few small parts that have obviously been replaced with new ones fairly recently (operating hours wise).

There aren't a lot of choices of where to anchor the eye bolt at the end of the cable. I grabbed the eye bolt and moved it around in a 3D arc to see where it could reach, limiting the swing to places that didn't misuse the swivel pulley thing the cable goes through. I allowed for where it would reach if it was under tension as well. Not only are there no holes of the size of the bolt, there aren't any holes as much as 1/2 the bolts diameter. This caused me to think perhaps the thing was bolted to some tractor part like the 3PH or draw bar. I don't like that idea but I had to consider it as a possibility. I'm sure the folks who used this were not all rocket scientists or savants. We would probably slap our foreheads and say well du-uh if we saw the way it was used. I'd be happy to have some good ole boy embarrass me by showing me how simple it is to hook up. This sure as heck is no ego thing for me, I just want to mow with it and would pay someone to come by and show me. I could probably hook it some way to get it to work but would rather know how it was supposed to be.

Warning, off topic digression follows for illustrative purposes:

Once while trying to replace brushes in an alternator I tried to tie the brushes back with string, expecting I could pull the string out just before the case halves went tightly together. It didn't work. I tried electrical tape as it was thinner than my string. It failed. I shoved the brushes all the way back in their holders and wedged them there with toothpicks, dripped a few drops of water between the brushes and holder and put the assembly in the freezer. After the water froze, I removed the toothpicks and quite easily assembled the case halves. When the ice thawed, the brushes popped into place and everything worked fine. I felt relieved at having got the job done but called a buddy to find out how "regular" (read, SANE) folks do it. He says, "ya hold em back with straightened out paper clips or equivalent!" I ask where to put the paper clips. He says in the little holes. I say, what little holes? He says wipe off the dirt and grease. I say w-e-l-l.... DU-UH!!!

I would like to mow with this mower BUT I would like to rig it correctly. Not to avoid showing my ignorance (too late to hide that) but I don't want to damage it out of ignorance or make some overly complicated arrangement (see story above) when there is likely a very simple solution.

If I can't crack the code soon, either I'll rig some Rube Goldberg solution or it will snow and I will have a few months to work it out.

Patrick
 
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Patrick,......Patrick,....Darren is obviously referring to the cable arrangement, not the whole mower.
 
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Norm, Thanks for your insight. Pretty funny, huh? Like a Leslie Nielsen commedy (Police squad or Airplane). Oh well. I claim to know very little about these things, never having touched one befor and not seeing one for decades and then from afar. I went off in this direction because of an earlier post that questioned the existance of a model 505, unless I screwed that up too.

Oh, yea verily, it is entirely possible that the cable lift assy whatever it is properly called is not entirely stock and if that was the meaning I am in total agreement. There has to be some way to adjust the angle of the dangle and by my examination (at least my eyes still work, for a while yet) this cable arrangement is it. If there used to be some other arrangement, I can't tell by looking. Whatever it was it needed to be quite robust as the sickle bar is long and heavy and the purchase available to take the load is small. The sickle bar has quite a mechanical advantage over the short lever arms you have to pull on/hold to control the sickle bar. Too much "throw" is required to raise/lower the bar to have had just a turnbuckle, not enough adjustment. The cable and associated hardware is pretty robust. Cable was probably (I didn't measure it) 1/2 inch to 9/16, pretty stout and the swivel pulley was about 4 inch in Diameter.

We had thunder storms threatening so I didn't play with it today. I think they have mostly fizzled out with just a light sprinkle, darn.

The way I recall it, the atachment of the end of the cable that is currently attached doesn't look entirely stock but I can't tell at a glance what it would have been originally. I have tried eBay and some other searches but no joy for the manuals so far. I'll be trying New Holland dealers tomorrow. I'm confident I can make it mow, but I sure would like to know more about how it was intended to be set up before I start Rube Goldberging it.

Thanks again for your insight. I guess I was standing too close to the tree and couldn't see the forest.

Patrick
 
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If you could post a pic. of your mower, focusing on the cable assembly, maybe someone can figure out how it's supposed to work.
 
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Patrickg - I'm pretty sure your Ford 505 mower is a newer model than my Ford 515 (even though the model number is lower, manufacturer's do that all the time) and I was able to get a manual at the local New Holland dealer for less than $10. You should be able to get one. They will probably have to order it so it may take a few weeks to get it in.
 
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Norm, Good idea, posting a picture or two. I was about to do that later today but... I got an email from the seller telling me where the cable is supposed to be anchored. He says it goes to the drawbar, one of my prime suspects. I didn't want to proceed on just my suspiscion and mess something up.

He says that when you raise the 3PH it raises the sickle because it pulls on the cable. From what I recall about the way it was rigged, it should do that. Hopefully with my hydraulic TnT I should be able to adjust the angle of attack (leading edge pointing up or down a little) as well as help with the raising and lowering of the sickle with the tilt.

Very humbling, with my hi-tech background. There aren't that many moving parts involved but I guess it is better safe than sorry.

I know my tractor manual says to shut the tractor engine off for just about every thing you do that doesn't absolutely require engine power but after getting a look at this thing in operation I don't want to be any where near it when it is spun up. It looks at least as nasty as any midieval fighting or torture device I've seen.

Thanks for standing by Norm. I'll try to get a snapshot of it rigged to share. Who knows, maybe someone else might run into someting like this.

Patrick
 
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Danny, I will call the nearest two New Holland dealers (60 & 90 miles away). and see if I can get a manual headied my way. Hope this is legible. The text I am entering is really messed up. Some kind of display adaptor incompatibility I am told. Weird typing but unable to see what you type.

Thanks for your thoughts,

Patrick
 
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Patrick, glad you got that solved. I now recall reading about a mower that operates that way. Must have been the Ford 505. I would never have thought of hooking it to the drawbar, although, in hindsight, it makes sense it had to be hooked to a stationary point.
 
 

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