side business using new tractor

   / side business using new tractor #11  
Insurance is different from your home insurance. It is basically treated as a car insurance. Your home insurance will pay if damage is done on your lot, but if you drive off the lot, you are not covered. Besides you need libility insurance(please forgive the spelling).

I till gardens and such and I charge $30 per half hour/half hour mim.

Dan L
 
   / side business using new tractor #12  
<font color=blue> What coverage do some of you have, and about how much did it cost? </font color=blue>

...and where did you get it?

My homeowners insurance will "supposedly" cover the tractor when its on my own property (I don't know about liability though), but I'm sure that my brother and my dad are lining up projects for it, even as we speak...

So where does one go for "tractor insurance"?


Bill
 
   / side business using new tractor #13  
I got my tractor insure thru my regular home insurance agent, but it is underwritten my a company called "Inland Marine"..for $40K worth of equipment insurance, it costs me about $300/year...well worth it in my opinion, especially when you consider a total loss like a barn burning down...the size of my tractor is such that it would not be covered by a normal home policy...if you have a smaller tractor, you might want to ask your agent.

BTW: the $300 does not cover any liability, i.e. if I do work for someone (which I don't) and I drive over there septic field and ruin it, that wouldn't be covered, it is strictly to cover the cost of the equipment, wether it is on my propery on in transit (on a trailer, can't drive it in the road w/out plates).

I assume liability insurance would be much more.
 
   / side business using new tractor #14  
John,

We probably each approach business a little differently. My approach comes from my years with Electrolux. Though I worked on straight commission I never charged for pick-up or delivery, or a service call fee, or if someone had a vacuum hose that needed unclogging, etc. I learned early on that by not charging these fees I was able to make a lot more money in the long run. My customers were more apt to call me. By calling me more often I was able to prove I offered better service. Because of better service they bought more products and so did their friends. For me, this method has worked very well, and I apply the same principles to my little tractor business. It gets me a lot of call backs. I have always felt the real money was in call backs.

You said that my mentality hurts those that work with their tractor to make a payment. Again, please know that my mentality came from my years with Electrolux. There I sold a $900 vacuum door-to-door on straight commission. My competition was a $100 Hoover that was sold at any and all department stores. The only way I could compete was to give incredible service. I think the same is true in the tractor business. There are lots of people in my area who do tractor work. I see them as the $100 Hoovers. I am able to get jobs that they can't because I don't charge the extra fees. I got probably 12 jobs this past summer because when I met with the customer and they asked me what my minium was, or what my destination charge was, I told them I didn't believe in either. I guess the way I see it the folks that are putting on the extra fees are hurting themselves.

As to learning with new attachments, I agree with you 100%. Please know that the last tractor I used was an old Massey 135. When we sold it we sold all the the attachments with it. So I've been rebuying attachments as I need them. I haven't been learning to use the attachments on the job. However, I have been asked to do jobs that I didn't know how to do. I'll tell a customer that I don't know how to accomplish what they want. I'll ask around and see if I can figure out a best way to do the task. If I figure out a way I do the job, if I can't I try to find them someone who can.

John, hope this explains my thinking in this case.

Bill Cook
 
   / side business using new tractor #15  
You almost have to have an attorney read your insurance policy these days to REALLY know what it covers. Some policies will cover your personal tractor used for PERSONAL use on your other property with an additional rider to your policy. This would be if it falls off the trailer or is stolen. If you are being paid 10 cents for something and they can prove it, everything is different. A lot of guys kind of piddle around with little jobs and hope or don't know the roof can fall on them. Liability on the job is a completely different ball game. I'm constantly amazed at how many times the free utility locate services are not used. You dig up power lines, water lines etc and you're in the hole for a long time. You crush the miss's prize lawn with your ag tires (that the husband said "no problem" to doing) and you can plan on $$$. One of the county guys said the county had a person's permission to dump dirt and found in court that a husband's permission is not necessarily a wife's permission or some such, now they won't give dirt to anyone, they haul it 20 miles to a pit.

If the customer bangs his knee on your tractor or worse, if you leak oil on his property it can be a nightmare. It just isn't worth it unless you have NOTHING to loose. If you rent your place, have no possessions, your tractor's worth about $300, and you have no plans on earning any future wages that could be garnished I'd go ahead and skip the liability insurance. Otherwise belly on up to the insurance bar fellas.

Many states are requireing any work done that you are paid for to be done AS a contractor, with insurance, surety bond, the works. Those guys that charge $60+ an hour for work are a long shot from keeping much of that $60 for themselves.

IMHO, your prices should be such that you could afford to rent a tractor on a weekly basis, and still make wages, if you aren't you're just giving your tractor away. It's like saying it only costs $1.75 a gallon for gas for your new truck. I suppose on a day to day basis it does, but who's going to pony up with the 30K when it needs to be replaced? Tractors that are built these days seem to be very reliable, but go price a few parts with your dealer, you'llthink twice about letting them wear out for nothing.

There's not much "aftermarket" in tractor parts, each model is just to rare to justify tooling up. The guys I've talked to that have anything happen to their machines are lucky if the GROSS receipts for the day or two cover the repair.

I guess I'd say I agree with both fellows. It's nice to be the nice guy and not charge delivery, or have a minimum. If you don't mind working for next to nothing. I've done that for friends and neighbors and don't regret it with the small jobs. Part of life. But the general public? The general public can be a fickle cost conscious bunch. We all have to figure what's gouging and what's giving away the store, somewhere in between is where I'd like to be be.

And learning on the job, I've done it, but only on jobs where by my ignorance I'm not causing a bigger problem that someone else has to clean up. If I run long I would charge what I knew I could do the job for next time.

Some people are so happy it makes up for everything. I saw this guy I don't even know about a 1 1/2 miles away, they had put in a house, the contractor had left a bunch of stumps piled up with dirt around it and burned what they could leaving a big mess. I drove by and saw the guy swinging a pick trying to loosen these stumps out of the ground that were half submerged. I jumped on the tractor, (trusty Ford NH), went down, easily pushed them all out of the ground into a couple of piles, in a couple of passes cleared bare ground around them, probably was there 45 minutes. He was so shocked. His wife said they were just barely getting into the house as it was, and I replied I wasn't invited here I was just there to get some exercise and if she wanted to say thanks she could may cook something or take some food to the senior center rummage sale. I'm pretty sure they did, the guy always waves to me and smiles. I smile back and it was an hour I feel paid off.

He has told people about my visit and I have had to turn down a few jobs that were too big or complicated for me, but I've been able to "pass them up the food chain" to a couple of contractors that I have used that are nice guys and will treat them right.

It all comes out in the wash.

Or so we hope!

Dig on

del
 
   / side business using new tractor #16  
del wanted say that was a very informed post, and yes you did a very noble deed. I myself have drove my deere through flood waters to get people out in 94 and pull cars out of flood waters for free.. Of course as you said good deeds or returned and I was giving jobs later and more importantly looked upon differently in my community.. My point to mr. cook was that only if he thinks your making 30hr and only charge 30minutes or 1 hour your probally only making 10 bucks. You know in this business other then mowing if you do the job right the first time theres not much call back. My experience. Word of mouth the best advertisement in my opinion.. And I will be the first to tell you that what I charge still is not enough, we Havent even touched fuel prices..heavey haulers dump trucks ups every body has had to increase rates.. I just finished a job aprox 30 miles one way from my home, I did not figure fuel cost and ended up spending about 175 on fuel. Iam sorry but thats alot of money to eat. I will not make that mistake again..

Mr. Cook again I feel different to you on your interpertation of vacs. I see low ballers as the 100 dollar vac. i myself am not a 900 dollar vac but in the middle, i reserve the 900 dollar title to the contractors. I myself am working up a business to get out of the chemical industry, then god willing I will be the 900 dollar vac..

One thing about insurance you gotta have it in this lawsuit crazy society we live in.. Look at florida...

thanks
 
   / side business using new tractor #17  
DEL darn good post........
 
   / side business using new tractor #18  
John, I agree, as many small business owners know, if you REALLY add all the hours you aren't fishing, watching TV or whatever, if you add every hour you are fooling with the government, working on your stuff etc, it's REAL EASY to be making minimum wage, or worse if you don't watch what you charge. My state in particular (Washington) has decided to run a pole up anyone dumb enough to work for themselves (or have a job without health insurance provided) in this state you don't have to take responsbility for yourself by having health insurance in advance, you can just wait until you get sick, they threw out the waiting periods for all those people, so you know what that means! The do gooders get to feel good while the insurance for the idiots is placed on the backs of the responsible folks that have insurance BEFORE they need it, which is the only way insurance really works. Typical family policies can run $600-$1000 a month. I'm thinking of convincing myself I'm mentally ill so I can take a nice rest in the state nuthouse and get some of that money back! I'm hoping they'll give me a room with a view so I can see the guy maintaining the grounds with his Kubota/NH/JD or whatever!
 
   / side business using new tractor #19  
Well i totally agree with that.. There are alot of us out feeling the same way..That is why if you caught what I was saying that iam in the middle of being part time to full time. I work a regular full time job with benefits retirement etc. Probally if you add it up some where in the neighborhood of 75 to 100 dollars an hour. good job but not what I really want to do the rest of my life..So now as you brought up to make your premiums insurance etc. I gotta make double the cash I make a year now to come close to maintaining the lifestyle we have come accustomed to.. Thats probally while it will be a while be fore i can leave. Unless its up to the big house with you.. You think theyd let us sit on there JD NH or Kb?
 
   / side business using new tractor #20  
thomas that is very true but there are lots of subdivisions where i live where these people are insulated from people like me who still live outside town. So in this situation you have to advertise. I dont know how many time I have heard, I didnt know who to call and then I saw your sign bla bla bla.. So I know it works...At least in this part of the country

John
TX.
 

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