This is a sample of the terrain, downhill side of the house. I routinely come down hill in the foreground, go around the large tree, miss the sewer cleanout (so far) and either add rocks to the pile, (visible to the right of the tree, in the background) or go back up to get to the far side of the house. Land continues to slope getting steeper to the left until it falls away into a canyon. Rock in the foreground is roughly 10 feet across, have no idea if it is an outcropping of bedrock, but probably. Deck is 11 feet from ground to deck floor. If you guys guarantee that it won't fall over I could take a shortcut just below the deck, how about it? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif NO? Oh well, perhaps I will get a dozer for that. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif