Single plough attachment

[bluesilver]

Hi, I am looking at getting a single plough attatchment for my BCS.
I think there are a few names for them, but i am looking at the moldboard plough
Plough
The bcs i have is a Ferrari 360, Diesel 12.2hp ( basically the largest diesel bcs one they make, pretty similar to a 750)
36 PowerSafe

So the question is, will these machines pull these ploughs ok over fresh unturned ground, ( basically just a vegetable garden with a cover crop)
The machine i have has 6.5/80-12 union tires, Tires are both filled with water and also running 44 pond (20kg) wheel weights on each wheel.

Or is there a batter suited wheel to use all up with ploughing and tilling.
Hope all that makes sense.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers.

 

[jcraftenworth]

Oh yeah, your machine can do it. The heavier engine, wheel weights + water filled, I bet it'll go without any additional weights. Not sure the weight difference between water filled and foam filled tires, but that might be one way to add more weight if the water is less. Your rig should also break unworked sod. But I think you should try to find a two way swivel plow, because they are super cool!

"Aldo Biagioli Moldboard Plows" is what they are. Your machine can handle the larger 9" moldboards.

 

[bluesilver]

Thanks for the reply, appreciated.
Did a bit of a search on them and do look pretty good.
Is there an ideal tire that most use for Ploughing work?
I know if i try tilling on unturned ground but soft ground ( probably something i shouldn't really be doing) the machine will sometimes get it self stuck with the standard tires.
( machine just sits there spinning both wheels even when diff lock is on )
It only has the standard wheels that it came with 6.5/80-12 union.
Cheers again.

 

[jcraftenworth]

My understanding is that maximum traction is obtained by using all metal tires, and they are available. I wonder if they weight as much as fluid filled tired, though. If they weigh less, you might need to add more wheel weights.

17” Steel Cage Wheels
BCS
922.57779
$206
$195
19” Steel Cage Wheels
BCS
922.42474
$258
$245
19” Steel Cage Outriggers
BCS
922.42460
$145
$138
20.5” Steel Cage Wheels
Grillo
927212
$285
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22” Steel Cage Wheels
BCS
922.49993
$310
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Frankly you have some pretty serious tires already. I'd just avoid plowing when it's wet (and if you're getting stuck when it's dry, then you probably don't need to be plowing at all lol)

 

[bluesilver]

Cheers, i should of mentioned the getting stuck part a tad more clearer, sorry.
Not so much as getting stuck as in mud, just not getting traction, kind of like trying to tow a heavy load and just getting tire slip.
This was happening in the lowest gear.
I am putting it down to the ground being maybe too hard as the tiller is was setup in its shallowest depth.

Yes, i think the metal wheels might actually be lighter than the tires i currently am setup with.
But they look like they will certainly grip.

 

[CADplans]

If you plow a trench over four inches deep (100mm),,,
does the machine have enough ground clearance to keep the tractor from high centering?

Having one tire in the furrow also causes the "on land' tire to loose traction.
You may need extra weight for the on land tire,,,

With guys pulling a plow with a riding GT, they always lean towards the on land tire.

 

[jcraftenworth]

well if it's slipping, maybe you do need more weight. Our guy in America designed his own system to use workout/weightlifting plates and to add 100 lbs per tire:

"we offer “Barbell weight hangers”, which bolt onto the wheel-mounting studs of the tractor (the wheel does not have to be removed to install them; just the lug-nuts) and they accept standard 1” hole barbell weight plates. The weight plates themselves can be removed or installed with a single pin, and since we offer the hangers in various post lengths, you can actually get far more weight on the tractor than with the “factory” weights … 100 lbs max per wheel! The “hangers” can stay on the tractor even when the weight plates are removed…although if you have one of the longer lengths, the posts may stick out and get in the way sometimes…If so, they are easily removed."

Looks like BCS factory weights can get you max 75lbs added per tire, but it will cost you dearly!

Weights 12” wheels (150 lbs. pair)
BCS 12” rims
922.48720
$490
$465

Also we shouldn't read too much into the photo of the metal tire. The photo may have been of the smallest one they offer, and we simply don't know how much each one weighs.

 

[bluesilver]

Good replies and information there.
It isn't bottoming out or anything like that, just acts as if it is trying to pull a too heavy load and just loosing traction.
I have made a similar setup to the barbell setup, just heavy thick round plate bolted to the rims.
Might need more weight as mentioned, either that or have a look at the steel rims or make an adapter to run dual wheels either side.

 

[jcraftenworth]

If you are flush with cash, there might be one more option to get more traction!!! I vote for the metal one!!!

 

[bluesilver]

Ha, yes just seen them a minute ago.
Would be great, but importing them to Australia won't be cheap.
Pretty sure i could get close to making something like these though, a good winter project maybe.
Thanks for the replies, Will wait until the plough arrives now and see how things run with it.
Appreciate the replies and information.
Cheers.

 

[jcraftenworth]

If you don't feel like designing your own dual wheel system, BCS makes extensions that will do the job:

Wheel spacers

 

[bluesilver]

They look like a pretty good design, but like most things, got a good price tag, at least over here they do.
Getting parts here in Australia seams to be a tad hard, just not very many dealers and the put the price up accordingly.
Not sure if the axles will handle dual wheels, but i guess if they make the extensions they must do.
Pretty much forces me to make a lot of the stuff myself.
But dual wheels might just be the answer.

 

[farmerboybill]

I've plowed many acres with a ride-on tractor and a five bottom plow. These plows are "in furrow", which means your right wheel will be in the trench you made on the previous pass. You can't run a dual in the furrow because it will be too wide to fit. You can put a dual on the "on-land" wheel. You can also put extra weight on the "on land" wheel. If you get the swivel plow, you'll have to set both sides the right way to plow both ways.

 

[bluesilver]

Ah, good point there, never thought of that.
Appreciated.

 

[oldmech]

Hi! For Plough we need traction . And the best is wheight . The most is better. For space between wheels Minimum. 16 in. for 8 in. plough and 18 in. for the 9 in. plough. I make steel wheels I try with one inch steel pads the wet soil stick on and wheels slips. I add two inches . high steel pads a lot better.
But I like tire chains easy to install and very good because self cleaning . Chain move and the wet soil fall. Not as on tire grips . When tire grips are full with wet soil no more traction. Tire chains are inexpensive . I make mine . I use standard chain not the flat twisted ice chain. A bigger chain is better (But we need space) Good luck! Oldmech

 

[bluesilver]

Thanks, for the photos and information.
So if i am am reading correct, you would say chains over the tires are better than the steel wheels?
I am thinking chain as in the chain on use on tractors to pull or lift things.
Cheers.

 

[jcraftenworth]

I'm sure the chains give a similar effect to the steel wheels and their cleats digging in, if you install chains on your rubber tire then the chains dig in. Maybe easier/cheaper to try that vs buying or building a new set of steel wheels? Sounds like your soil is dry though, so mud caking on the cleats vs more easily sloughing off the chains might not be an issue.