Buying Advice Sizing advice 24 vs 35hp

[JME81]

I've been going back and forth for a long time now and am getting closer to really needing a tractor. We have a few acres of land, mostly flat, _slight gradual elevation_.

Things that I'd like to do:

1. Front mounted snow blowing
2. Moving compost / Dirt / Rocks around
3. Ground rake
4. Maybe rototilling a 100x100 patch of ground
5. Pulling of some logs (nothing massive)

With that said, I've watch A LOT of Youtube videos, read here and spoken with dealers. Many try to push me towards a larger 35HP machine, saying to go larger than you think you need which I think is good advice, however, I do have some concerns.

GP Outdoors uses a Kubota B2601and one of the newer LX 24HP tractors; I pretty much want to do what he does and it looks like those machines handle it fine? I'm also concerned with Tier 4 issues if there are any now on the newer models.

I'm looking at the Kioti CK2610 and the CK3510se. I like the features of the SE, mainly the FEL control location and the seat... Cab has always been a dream but it's just so much more money when I could put that towards a snowblower. I live in New England.

 

[MAD777]

I believe either will get your jobs done. I have much more challenging terrain here in the White Mountains of NH and my CK2610HST is more than adequate and I don't have to worry about the regen business.
I'm sure you have sat in both units, so that would be personal preference. For me, the comfort, ergonomics and seat quality in the CK2610HST was far above the non-Kioti competition.
I actually sit on my tractor in the garage and read!

 

[sea2summit]

Comes down to how quickly you want to get stuff done. Are you retired and this is part of your honey-do project list or are you working 60 hrs a week and only have weekends to commit to projects?

Overall I'm a big fan of larger tractors, got my MX when I only had 7 acres and never felt like it was too much tractor because I could get a lot of stuff done with just a few hours or tractor time.

 

[JME81]

I use a push snowblower now, so anything will be faster than that, especially in the wet heavy stuff. For pulling, etc. I'm not in a massive rush but I've never experienced a fast tractor. I work 40 hours so the work work be done before or after work and weekends. I've sat on the SE models but not the non, they didn't have any in stock. I love the seat on the SE. I like the cab a lot but just am not sure about the price.

 

[Roadworthy]

Look at what will run your snowblower and go from there. For smaller tractors they frequently have a front PTO. Many larger tractors lack this feature. That will mean you either run your snow blower (or thrower) from the hydraulics or some kind of rear to front PTO adaptation. If you go for the hydraulic drive that will take more gallons per minute than many compact tractors can provide. That may require an external PTO driven hydraulic pump. Figure out how you want to handle your snow and find a tractor that's compatible.

 

[mikester]

#2 and 5

Rent a small machine, then try moving rocks and soil. Try dragging logs.

If you are satisfied, buy the 24HP.

FYI Even the 35HP will struggle on these tasks.

For the other items a smaller tractor will do, it will just take longer to do it.

 

[JME81]

#2 and 5

Rent a small machine, then try moving rocks and soil. Try dragging logs.

If you are satisfied, buy the 24HP.

FYI Even the 35HP will struggle on these tasks.

For the other items a smaller tractor will do, it will just take longer to do it.

That's where I get confused on these types of statements. The B2601 does not seem to struggle in his videos. I rented a Kioti CS and did not like it.

 

[Peter 315]

Rent a small kubota and see if you like that size tractor...

 

[JME81]

I'll look around but I don't think I'll have success. Inventory on rentals is scarce. I'd like to get back on topic though....

 

[jeff9366]

Things that I'd like to do:

1. Front mounted snow blowing
2. Moving compost / Dirt / Rocks around
3. Ground rake
4. Maybe rototilling a 100x100 patch of ground
5. Pulling logs (nothing massive)

These two applications require the tractor's POWER TAKE OFF (PTO) to power the snowblower and roto-tiller.
The more power you have the wider implement you can power. With more power you can throw snow farther.

If you have room to stash snow, a front mount snow plow moves snow faster than a blower.

VIDEO: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tractor+snow+plow+vs+snow+blower

Things that I'd like to do:

1. Front mounted snow blowing
2. Moving compost / Dirt / Rocks around
3. Ground rake
4. Maybe rototilling a 100x100 patch of ground
5. Pulling logs (nothing massive)

These applications are primarily dependent on bare tractor weight. Heavier tractors have better traction. Heavier tractors are outfitted with more capable Loaders. Heavier tractors are wider, which increases tractor stability. Four inches of additional width increase tractor stability considerably.

Pulling logs is easy for a tractor. Tractors are primarily pulling machines.

I'm also concerned with Tier 4 issues if there are any now on the newer models.

Once the 24-1/2 hp threshold is crossed all new tractors must meet Tier IV emission standards and most, not all, have the complication and expense of Tier IV emission controls. (Some of Kubota 'B's with 26 hp meet Tier IV standards through tuning and operation at fairly high engine speeds, without regeneration.)

Today the regeneration process is smoother than it was at introduction seven years ago but still confounds some tractor operators, especially those who may only need to regenerate once per year, due to minimal use.

Tractors under 3,000 pounds bare tractor weight are mostly used on three to ten acres of flat terrain. Less than 24-1/2 hp is often adequate.

 

[BrkMstr]

I had a CK2610 HST for a few weeks while waiting for my CK3510SE HST, the 2610 was a great unit, and could easily do what I needed it to, I do like the options on the 3510SE, the Kioti front blower is very well made and does a fantastic job - I've owned JD and Kubota's - if I get another it will be another Kioti - as far as the tier four, no issues at all, every 30 to 35 hrs it does it's thing, most of the time I'm using it so I keep working, it goes through what it has to and light goes out - if I stop, when it's still running I simply leave it at 1800 RPM and it completes the automatic cycle - no issues - I specifically wanted the tier four, as the fumes are half what my Kubota was - and it makes a difference when you are starting it in a closed garage - if funds are not an issue I would most definitely get the 3510SE, gives you a little more power and a bunch of extra's that are nice to have - as far as the work goes, I'm sure for what your looking at the 2610 would do the job just as well as the 3510........

 

[mikester]

That's where I get confused on these types of statements. The B2601 does not seem to struggle in his videos. I rented a Kioti CS and did not like it.

"If you saw it on the internet then it must be true"

That's why I suggested renting/demoing the machine you want to buy and see for yourself what it can or can't do. Good reputable dealers will likely let you demo a machine for the weekend.

 

[MESSMAKER]

I did a lot of work with a 27hp 20hp pto tractor. Five foot tiller and mower as well as 5 foot box blade. May have to slow down ,but you can get it done.

 

[RalphVa]

I've been going back and forth for a long time now and am getting closer to really needing a tractor. We have a few acres of land, mostly flat, _slight gradual elevation_.

Things that I'd like to do:

1. Front mounted snow blowing
2. Moving compost / Dirt / Rocks around
3. Ground rake
4. Maybe rototilling a 100x100 patch of ground
5. Pulling of some logs (nothing massive)

With that said, I've watch A LOT of Youtube videos, read here and spoken with dealers. Many try to push me towards a larger 35HP machine, saying to go larger than you think you need which I think is good advice, however, I do have some concerns.

GP Outdoors uses a Kubota B2601and one of the newer LX 24HP tractors; I pretty much want to do what he does and it looks like those machines handle it fine? I'm also concerned with Tier 4 issues if there are any now on the newer models.

I'm looking at the Kioti CK2610 and the CK3510se. I like the features of the SE, mainly the FEL control location and the seat... Cab has always been a dream but it's just so much more money when I could put that towards a snowblower. I live in New England.

Don't see why an 18-19 hp diesel wouldn't work. That is all I had for 6 years. My current 2025R has too much hp except for when I need it to dig our some soil. A Kubota B series 23xx would work fine. Don't recommend the BX18xx because of its hydraulic cooling fan underneath, e.g. not enough clearance. Don't know of any high clearance 18-19s now. They're rather we all waste some fuel doing our work. I'd love to have my Isuzu generator driver for 12.5 kw in a tractor.

Ralph

 

[Nb707]

Go with what you can afford both tractors should be fine for 2 1/2 acres.

 

[JME81]

While driving through town I saw a used, 2005 Mahindra 2615 for sale. It has 630 hours on it. From the road it appears to be in good shape. Looks like it's a 26HP tractor. I can't find too much on it but from the reviews I've read it sounds decent.

I have $10k saved up as I wanted to make my payments smaller for the new Kioti but am wondering if I should opt for this used one? It's listed for $9500 with a bucket.

 

[buck12]

While driving through town I saw a used, 2005 Mahindra 2615 for sale. It has 630 hours on it. From the road it appears to be in good shape. Looks like it's a 26HP tractor. I can't find too much on it but from the reviews I've read it sounds decent.

I have $10k saved up as I wanted to make my payments smaller for the new Kioti but am wondering if I should opt for this used one? It's listed for $9500 with a bucket.

I owned a Mahindra 2615 for 12 years and sold it to my BIL this past spring. It was a great tractor.

 

[JME81]

I owned a Mahindra 2615 for 12 years and sold it to my BIL this past spring. It was a great tractor.

Do you know the FEL lift capacity? How is it for pulling?

 

[buck12]

Do you know the FEL lift capacity? How is it for pulling?

I don’t remember the specs. I ran a 5 foot bush hog, 5 foot tiller, and 4 foot grapple with no problem. I used a 6 foot box blade which was a bit much with a full box of dirt because of traction not a lack of power.

The only work other than routine maintenance and batteries I did was to replace a fan belt. The 2615 was a simple well made tractor. All steel hood and fenders like a tractor should have.

Tractordata.com will have specs.

 

[JME81]

I don’t remember the specs. I ran a 5 foot bush hog, 5 foot tiller, and 4 foot grapple with no problem. I used a 6 foot box blade which was a bit much with a full box of dirt because of traction not a lack of power.

The only work other than routine maintenance and batteries I did was to replace a fan belt. The 2615 was a simple well made tractor. All steel hood and fenders like a tractor should have.

Tractordata.com will have specs.

It's missing the FEL specs.

Thanks for the info on your use too.