Slope...what is safe?? Anyone here ever roll over?

   / Slope...what is safe?? Anyone here ever roll over? #51  
I am surprised by the number of folks here that mention jumping. If your tractor has a ROPS, as per every piece of information you read from manufactures, OSHA, agriculture departments, etc. etc. etc. say to wear your seat belt. I have done a lot of reading on rolling because I live in West Virginia and all of my property is on the side of a hill. My dad used to tell me stories of when he lived with his family on a farm years ago of tractors rolling down the hill until they got to the bottom.

There are few times that the tractor is going to roll slow enough to jump from it. If you have a ROPS, you should ALWAYS have your seat belt on. There have been a few times I have gotten in a bad situation and gotten close to rolling and my instinct was to jump off because the fear drives your brain to doing dumb things. The seat belt kept me physically from doing that and getting hurt. The few times this has happened I was able to stop the movement of the tractor, drop the FEL and 3-point, and assess the situation and resolve the situation without rolling.

My last tractor was a Long 390HST which was a larger CUT (about 33/39 HP) and was HST. I felt the HST, when I was at a slow speed, reduced the risk of roll over because I was able to quickly remove my foot from the pedal and stop the motion. It also allowed me to change directions slowly and gracefully to maneuver out of some bad situations I got myself into.

My current tractor, which I have had only about a month now, is a NH WorkMaster 55, which is a synchro-shuttle transmission. This is the first ag tractor with a clutch I have operated. I have been staying in the middle of my fields while I relearn what is safe, how to quickly stop motion, reverse direction, etc. Little by little I introduce areas of steeper grade and obstacles as I get more familiar with the tractor. This tractor is much wider than the last tractor I had, and I expect the COG is lower as well, so once I get more familiar with it, I expect I will learn to trust it more on the slopes.

The worst near roll overs are the ones involving faster ground speeds. All of the close ones (a back tire off the ground) were almost at a standstill, primarily when using the FEL with extremely heavy loads, with the HST tractor. Those scared me, but I always managed to get myself out of those situations by stopping, thinking, and then using the FEL, 3-point, and motion to resolve the situation. The times I know I would be out of luck are those times cutting the fields when my ground speed is much faster and I hit some sort of depression in the ground (gopher hole, ditch, large branch, whatever). When you are on a hill and hit something like that at a fast speed, there isn't going to be time to react. The other thing with slopes is slick grass. After it rains, or in the early morning or late evening hours with the dew is heavy, the front tires start to lose traction. I have found this allows the tractor to slide sideways down hill, you start to compensate by turning slightly up hill, and this points the tractor at a greater chance of tipping over. Hence, I would encourage you to reduce your ground speed when cutting across a slope to give yourself more time to react should you encounter something that could cause an issue.

Also, I should mention about the slick grass on the slopes, I have had some good rides on the yard tractor before I put chains on it. I agree with others that turning into the slide seems to prevent an overturn, but wow what a ride when your back wheels are stopped and the tractor keeps going down the hill! I only had that happen about twice before I just left the "winter" chains on it all the time.

Anyhow, that's my 2 cents for what it's worth. I would strongly encourage you to always wear your seat belt with a ROPS. If you don't have a ROPS then don't wear a seat belt, but it probably doesn't have one anyway. There are numerous safety videos on YouTube and other places on the net that teach tractor safety and I would encourage reviewing them and forming your own opinion.

One more thing... All the people I know that have rolled their ag tractors have had ROPS and were wearing their seat belts. I don't know anyone that has rolled a tractor without a ROPS, but every year there is at least one incident on the news here of where it happens and someone loses their life. Stay safe.
 
   / Slope...what is safe?? Anyone here ever roll over? #52  
One more thing, I was going to ask the others what slope/tilt meters you were using. I noticed a few people had referred to them. I've seen a couple different ones online but was wondering if anyone had any opinions on which ones were better.
 
   / Slope...what is safe?? Anyone here ever roll over? #53  
The problem with a tilt meter is that it doesn't tell you about the rock or pothole hiding in the grass a few feet ahead.

Use one of these bumper stickers if you rely on a tilt meter.

If You Can Read This, Turn Me Over

:)

Bruce
 
   / Slope...what is safe?? Anyone here ever roll over? #54  
I haven't rolled a tractor, but I did once roll my snowmobile. I was crossing a branch on a cross slope and I just wasn't able to get my weight on the uphill side fast enough. Inexperience played into the situation. Anyways, I felt the sled going over and I tried to kick away to the high side. I wasn't able to push off with both feet and found myself thrown to the low side. Think about it, I leaped right and got thrown left. I looked up and saw the sled rolling over towards me. I started to do the back stroke hoping to get out of the way of the sled. I couldn't get any bite in the snow and every time I pushed away I swear the sled rolled even closer to me. I thought that darn thing was going to roll over and park on top of me. In the end, I was able to stay out from under it, but I learned a couple of lessons: 1. Don't try to jump because it's not as easy as you'd think. When the machine is far enough off balance to go over, you won't have any footing to leap off. 2. Jumping down hill would be a really stupid thing to do because you are directly in the machine's path.
 
   / Slope...what is safe?? Anyone here ever roll over? #55  
Michael Jordan in his prime had a vertical jump of 48". Maybe if he were crouched and ready to leap, he'd have a good chance of leaping clear of a rolling tractor. An old, out-of-shape galoot like me, sitting in the tractor seat and focussing on its operation, isn't going to have any fair chance of doing that successfully. Caution and common sense seem like better strategies than expecting to jump clear of a tractor that's rolling over.
 
   / Slope...what is safe?? Anyone here ever roll over? #56  
I also have a property with a lot of slope on it. Got tippy a few times and found that by extending my back hoe bucket up hill I can push the envelope a bit or get out of one that I pushed a bit to far. Also lowering a stabilizer leg to just off the ground on the down hill side can add a bit of security. End all is wear a seatbelt.
Never rolled my tractor But I did go for a wild ride in a 40 foot end dump. Heres a pic. DSCF0104.jpg
 
   / Slope...what is safe?? Anyone here ever roll over? #57  
I also have a property with a lot of slope on it. Got tippy a few times and found that by extending my back hoe bucket up hill I can push the envelope a bit or get out of one that I pushed a bit to far. Also lowering a stabilizer leg to just off the ground on the down hill side can add a bit of security. End all is wear a seatbelt.
Never rolled my tractor But I did go for a wild ride in a 40 foot end dump. Heres a pic.View attachment 330652

Re: Jumping off, remember that the bulk of this thread (almost 5 pages) is 10 years old.

It was bumped on 7/18/13 which given its importance is probably a good idea.

My wife was mowing with our rig last year, and luckily her father was watching (from a safe distance with protection from thrown objects), and she did as I had told her (froze, except for dropping the FEL), otherwise she would have gone over.

She was mowing downhill slowly in low with AWD, and started to turn at the bottom, but there was a hidden sunken area (courtesy of the prior homeowner/builder burying stumps and debris in the lawn areas) covered by weeds that her right front tire sled into) and she started to tip over to the right.

Her father ran over and stood on the mower deck which also helped to stabilize her.

They called me over (I hadn't heard her yelling over my compressor running), and I coached in how to use the bucket to recover.

Thank GOD, I had from day one told her to wear seatbelt, have ROPS up, go slow, and keep a hand on the stick ready to drop FEL, because she, like the rest of us is no Air-Jordan, and she reacted quickly (and appropriately) because she was prepared by habit and mental practice to do just that.

Thomas
 
   / Slope...what is safe?? Anyone here ever roll over? #58  
Rolled my little 1978 Ford 1100, twice, on different occasions. It was an 11hp, Cat. 1, 2 cylinder tractor with FEL. This was in the late '70s, no ROPS, which was common. Had the skinny and deep lug ag tires. Was using a bush hog on tall grass and did not see a hole the grass was hiding. Was not going fast, but no warning and did a slow roll and did jump off, mindful of the spinning 4' bush hog. No physical harm, but shook up.
On the next occasion, was mowing grass on loose dirt side slope and felt it start to tip. Started to turn down hill but not quick enough and it started a very slow tip-over. I jumped, nearly getting my foot caught between shifter and PTO lever. No injury, but again, very shook up. Very lucky.
The fix was installing 4" bolt extenders on both rear hubs. This added 8" of rear wheel width and tractor was very stable after that. Testing it on a slope with my Dad to act as "steadier", the rear end of the tractor just "slid" down hill without injury or damage. Also, this tractor was a sub-compact size, but still capable of injury or damage. I know that I am very fortunate.
On my new BX25, the alarm bells start ringing when on a slope or steep ditch or culvert. If I may add, before doing a job where a hole or ditch could be hidden by tall grass, walk the entire field or site before getting on the tractor.
 
   / Slope...what is safe?? Anyone here ever roll over? #59  
If I may add, before doing a job where a hole or ditch could be hidden by tall grass, walk the entire field or site before getting on the tractor.

a little older and a lot wiser :thumbsup:
 
   / Slope...what is safe?? Anyone here ever roll over? #60  
We have owned a very heavily wooded, very steep 20 acres in East TN since 1994. I have used my Kubota B2710 with FEL extensively to maintain the driveway, harvest down trees, etc... and despite being careful have on about 6 instances come very close to rolling it. Despite regularly using my seatbelt and having a ROPS I know that should it roll in the woods a tree parallel to the ROPS could easily cause me great bodily harm. Recently it occurred to me a great deal of my use of the Kubota was in hauling equipment (chainsaw, log splitter, trailer...) to a site where I was going to work, and I actually didn't need a tractor, per se. Once the light bulb clicked on I researched all-terrain utility vehicles and settled on a Kawasaki Mule; bed carries 1000 lb. and tows 2000 lbs. I estimate it has reduced my tractor use by > 50%. Still have to have the tractor, but I constantly regret not having purchased an all terrain utility vehicle decades earlier.
 

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