Smoked a clutch on my tiller....

[Agrantina]

I was just waiting around to see if anyone was going to say something about each others "mother" or "dog".. Those are fighting words..:laughing: Lets all read my catch phrase at the end.. Whats the solution here? Agree to disagree.. smoke or not to smoke?

AndyG

 

[EE_Bota]

I was just waiting around to see if anyone was going to say something about each others "mother" or "dog".. Those are fighting words..:laughing: Lets all read my catch phrase at the end.. Whats the solution here? Agree to disagree.. smoke or not to smoke?

AndyG

Careful, friend, you just mentioned both!

 

[foggy1111]

^ Some valuable comments for sure. Well written Bota. :thumbsup:


It's hard to resist adding comments to what has been said (and I just erased a few paragraphs of my response).

I'm just enjoying the cherry-nut. :licking:

OK....one final comment. I hold no grudges against engineers. In fact, I have over 25 mechanical patents myself. But....when somebody throws a degree of any kind in my face....it makes me bristle a bit. I dunno....maybe because my degree came from
"the school of hard knocks"? I learned a long time ago....there are practical engineers and degreed engineers....and for me, the practical type typically trumps the degreed - especially when viewed from an operating perspective.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Where was a degree thrown in your face or even mentioned in this thread?

 

[SPYDERLK]

Pretty much spot on, but I do take exception to one point. I don't recall (or see after re-reading the thread) where anyone said (even "implied") it was OK to "boil the grease out of a u-joint". That's going a little beyond simply accepting the FACT that a slip clutch on an ordinary tiller. doing ordinary work, will slip on occasion. And that slipping is certainly NOT the end of the world, OR a sign of a sleepy operator.

In a perfect world, we would NEVER hit tree roots while tilling. We would never find that limestone rock shelf under our garden.....But who do you know that will try to argue that we live in a perfect world. And that imperfection in our everyday lives is why most tillers/many rotary mowers/ect come equipped with a slip clutch.

And by the way, Agri-Supply offers replacement friction disc's for KK tillers @ a price under $18. At that price, I HOPE my tiller's slip clutch does slip when it hits some unforeseen object.

With enough hours/acres behind me with my KKII tiller so that it has completely worn out one full set of tines and probably worn 25% or more off second set, and I'm still running the ORIGINAL friction disc in the slip clutch, even after I allowed (you might say PROMOTED) it to slip in situations where I expected to hit buried objects.... At some stage, we have to separate opinion and theory from fact and experience if we expect to accomplish anything worthwhile.

There is no question about why a slip clutch works, or how it works, The question seems to be HOW OFTEN it should work. I 'm all for using the $18 friction disc as a "sacrificial anode" of sorts, and allowing it to slip on occasion as needed.

Toss in the FACT that slip clutches aren't nearly as delicate as some would like to believe, and I can't for the life of me see why anyone WOULDN'T want it to slip far enough BEFORE we get to that legendary "catastrophic overload" point so as not to explore just when "too much is too much".

What I AM seeing is a few individuals who apparently think that their opinion reins supreme, even with VERY limited amounts of actual "hands on experience" to back up their assumptions.

Some people just need to try an occasional re-introduction to "the real world"....

You dont seem to be able to stay away from exaggerating, misstating, and making unfounded assumptions to strengthen your case in contrast to what you say I say. It is odd that no one else comments on this even tho it is as plain as reading comprehension. Perhaps they are really caught up in your colored view.
larry

 

[cowski]

farmwithjunk 1,spyderlk 0

 

[Farmwithjunk]

You dont seem to be able to stay away from exaggerating, misstating, and making unfounded assumptions to strengthen your case in contrast to what you say I say. It is odd that no one else comments on this even tho it is as plain as reading comprehension. Perhaps they are really caught up in your colored view.
larry

Just because you're unable to understand what has been said, that doesn't make it wrong, it merely indicates you aren't capable of understanding.... Your latest rash of veiled personal insults might make you FEEL better in some twisted way, but they only serve to prove just how oblivious to the FACTS you really are in this case.....And how childish you're capable of being.....

Perhaps "they" can plainly see what you apparently don't have the ability to see.....

If you wish to continue the juvenile cheap shots and baseless insults, however you try to mix them in to the conversation, the outcome isn't going to be much to your liking. You're playing out of your league. Not the first time in my life I've had to deal with a poor looser. I'd rather this be an intelligent, ADULT conversation INVOLVING THE OP's ORIGINAL QUESTION (rather than your continued personal vendetta) . How you approach the issue is your decision.

 

[EE_Bota]

Where was a degree thrown in your face or even mentioned in this thread?

Yes. It was mentioned by FWJ, then by the OP, and then by me. I was last of the three to mention it, when I said..in response to the OP claiming most engineers would do no better:

"I am an engineer, but the wrong kind. I would go by the instructions for adjustment, and I would try to keep a sharp eye on it while running, but that is just habit since childhood. I would try to keep in mind that the clutch protects my tiller AND my little BX, so it would be "by the book" on the clutch for me. If I saw it smoking, I would stop, and let it cool a bit if I had the time, otherwise, I'd try to lighten the load.

If in the course of years, if I wore out the disks over time, I would consider it proper.
I would be mindful of yearly startup procedures..since sometimes a clutch will rust itself into position, and that needs to be evaluated periodically, since we do need it to slip when necessary to protect our equipment.

It might be smart to make a chalk mark to evaluate slip, since over a course of a challenging tilling session, if the thing NEVER slipped, that might be concerning to me. If it NEVER slips I would have to be more picky about making sure it CAN slip, if you see what I mean."

Do I sound like I am throwing down a trump card? If so, it was unintentional and I apologize. I didn't understand why the OP was onto the subject of "engineers" and saying they would do no better. I was trying to push him back to the manual, and offered what I thought were practical considerations. His battle is between that new field and the clutch, not between himself and engineers.

In further consideration of the PTO topic, I prioritize this way:

My safety
My tractor
My implement gearbox
My PTO shaft minus slip clutch
The actual slip clutch.

Do we all agree with that? I see little need to risk anything but the slip clutch, and how often that gets destroyed is a matter of conditions and taste. A cautious man may wear out a clutch more frequently than others. Is that fair?

I am not concerned about wearing out a slip clutch. I am concerned about excessive heat, and where that heat gets transmitted. Does that sound rational?

 

[Farmwithjunk]

I wasn't going this way, but.....(pardon my excursion from the OP's original question)

I have mixed emotions regarding "engineers", and feel entitled to that opinion. (I AM one!!!) My degree is in structural engineering. I received the degree 16 years AFTER beginning a career in the construction industry. Prior to receiving that degree (I have another, in "soil science") I had a bad outlook on engineers due mainly to working around a couple that could NOT take their heads out of the handbook. No matter how much a person manages to convince themselves their theories are right, if "life in the fast lane" shows you a different result, any engineer worth their salt will look at what compromises must be made to reach a satisfactory end result. After all, the result is to "create a better mouse trap" and NOT to mislead one's self while attempting to validate a pre-conceived notion at the expense of drawing incorrect assumptions.

Engineers base their opinions on physical laws.

GOOD engineers base their opinions on physical laws AND empirical knowledge.

 

[TripleR]

I wasn't going this way, but.....(pardon my excursion from the OP's original question)

I have mixed emotions regarding "engineers", and feel entitled to that opinion. (I AM one!!!) My degree is in structural engineering. I received the degree 16 years AFTER beginning a career in the construction industry. Prior to receiving that degree (I have another, in "soil science") I had a bad outlook on engineers due mainly to working around a couple that could NOT take their heads out of the handbook. No matter how much a person manages to convince themselves their theories are right, if "life in the fast lane" shows you a different result, any engineer worth their salt will look at what compromises must be made to reach a satisfactory end result. After all, the result is to "create a better mouse trap" and NOT to mislead one's self while attempting to validate a pre-conceived notion at the expense of drawing incorrect assumptions.

Engineers base their opinions on physical laws.

GOOD engineers base their opinions on physical laws AND empirical knowledge.

:thumbsup: My brother was a Mechanical Engineer and I couldn't agree more.